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Two segments have been continously removed, yet both are fact and not hearsay or opinionated. Animania was criticised by its inaction and the official Iron Artist tournament IS now run by Oztaku pty. Ltd. It is not vandalism -- Discosid 12:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Dear Sid, please stop vandalising the page by revoking all the updates that were made since your last edit. If you have a valid points to add to the article then I would have no reason to be posting here, but you insist on continually undoing the major and beneficial changes that have been made to the article.
To address your concern about your removed point on "Iron Artist": firstly there is no such organisation as Oztaku Pty Ltd. Secondly whether you or your friends wish to organise an event called "Iron Artist" and claim it is the "official" event has no bearing on Animania, but you cannot claim that any events that have run at current or previous Animania's have somehow become "property" of some third party. Unaju 13:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Oztaku exists here,a publishing company which has its titles stocked at multiple stores from Kinokuniya to Borders. Secondly, I was the person who organised the event at Animania in 2005, Louis Lee was later informed about the seperation of that event into a independent entity, so yes it does have a bearing on Animania and I can claim it as "property" for a third party. -- Discosid 13:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Also another point that the criticism listed was a valid fact. Cartoon Passion a vendor at Animania 2005 was caught selling bootleg stock and was in clear violation of Animania's code of conduct yet no action was taken against this matter despite Animania's reasoning of raising entry prices to counter the bootlegs. -- Discosid 13:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
In regard to Oztaku, DiscoSid must be referring to the trading name of a sole trader, it is NOT a private company as DiscoSid had stated. In any case DiscoSid would not have sole credit for organising the "Iron Artist" event in 2005, it was organised as part of the Animania Festival. There were several others heavily involved in organising the event prior as well as on the day, and as I stated previously anyone can create and your run their own event called "Iron Artist" wherever they wish, but they cannot take "Iron Artist" from anyone or any event. -- Unaju 13:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
DiscoSid claims to have proof that 1) vendor was selling bootleg stock at Animania 2005 and 2) that was reported to the organisers during the event. I am not aware of any such evidence from 2005. And finally, DiscoSid please read the relevent paragraph from 2004, the ticket price and lack of vendors are two separate items. -- Unaju 13:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
When I was the person who brought the idea to the table and no one knew what was happening till I actually told them, I don't believe that others were "heavily involved" in the organisation of the event. In the second point, evidence was given by various attendees including Animania's own forum and the Manifest forums which is currently offline. There are a few facts here: 1, I brought the idea to the table and the documentation covering the email was sent to various staff via email. 2, Prior to the event, no one, not even the hosts knew what was happening till they were briefed by myself. 3, Events on stage of day 1 ie. sound and script was not present until I gave Animania staff the appropriate data. Queenie Chan, Daniel Douglas, Avi Bernshaw, Alaister Hoy and other participants at Iron Artist 2005 can vouch for all of that.-- Discosid 13:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
One of the Animania staff recently announced that there would be an event similar to Iron Artist to be held in 2006. Whether or not it carries the same name is still to be determined. However because the anime convention scene is as small as it is and there is a large degree of cross pollination of convention goers between the various conventions, the distinction has to be made that the tournament being held by Manifest, Supanova, Anime.au, AICon to name a few is not the same one held by Animania if indeed they do have another one.-- Discosid 15:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Thankyou for your opinions ConMan. I hold the opinion that the current article does not warrant the expansion of the "Iron Artist" topic to the other events unrelated to Animania. Further evidence of this is that my understanding that most of the events at every Animania (including "Iron Artist") were organised and enacted by Volunteer staff with no evidence (written or otherwise) that the Intellectual Property about the events would be owned by the individuals. Add to this the evidence that the events were organised and enaced by multiple people, and the argument of property becomes very shady. In regard to DiscoSid's last point above: many other events share the same names betweem different competitions without incident, such as AMV, Cosplay, Idol, and so on. In the case of DiscoSid's event I think the obvious choice would be to make the name of the competition unique, rather than expecting everyone else to change their competition names. -- Unaju 06:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Written evidence exists, I have proper documentation of all competition rules and regulations, process of how the event is to unfold, dated at least 6 months prior to Animania, I also have emails with date stamps to Aurora Events executives. Powerpoint files used during the day was also dated and I do have a copy of that as well, its only shady becuse you choose to believe it as shady. Let's look at it this way, the hosts of the event, Mitchell, Avi and Mike did not know the protocol or process until they were told a day before the event by me. Something that all 3 men can attest to. The use of cameras and layout of the event itself was directed to the volunteers only 30 minutes prior to the event by Mike who was under my orders. Use of sound and slideshow was directed again by me an hour prior to the event when I went through this with Damien McCormick. All competitors and Iron Artists were again chosen and asked to participate by me which again they can attest to. Now which part of this entire event was organised by another person? Prior meetings with Aurora Entertainment executives established that I was in charge of running the event after I brought the idea up with stake holder Dexter So and the chairperson, it was made clear at the first volunteer's meeting of 2005 that I had come up with the concept and that I would be organising it. Again evidence of me bringing the idea to the head executives exists within chatlogs that I have and would gladly show the world if I was asked. The request that other cons not hosting the Iron Artist tourny exists because its a national tournament in which a final would be held at one of the larger conventions. I do not see this happening for AMV, Cosplay or Idol. -- Discosid 13:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Is a mention in a newspaper really that notable to include it like this in the wiki article? While the newspaper article can be used as a source, I don't think there is a need to mention the newspaper article itself beyond citing it as a reference.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheFarix ( talk • contribs) 23:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, I can see your point, and I think I only put it in so that there would be more than one "notable" event of that year, so its removal probably won't cause me too much pain. Of course, I think it was also poorly worded, since it wasn't just a "mention" but an actual article - the entire 2nd page article was the one linked which pretty much focused on Animania. That said, no, I guess it can go, but I wish I could remember something else memorable about it to replace it ^^; Confusing Manifestation 12:35, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
At some point (I would assume) Animania will fall into some kind of regular pattern - each convention will be fairly similar in terms of events, and the number of conventions held in each city will be constant as well. Even between 2004 and 2006 there isn't as much change as the jumps in 2003 and 2004, simply because of the handover from the clubs to Aurora. That was the reason I had all post-2004 conventions lumped under "2004 and beyond", although I'm willing to accept that can be broken up. However, I think it should be kept in mind that the article doesn't need sections on every single year, and could be best served with a single section describing significant events in each year, something like this (but in prose, not as a bulleted list):
Then another section could possibly detail the common complaints, especially since they tend to be of a similar nature each year. Just something to keep in mind when you edit the article. Confusing Manifestation 15:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
That is something to consider. It would be cleaner and more logical by merging ALL the history (2002-2006 and beyond) into a single "History" section. -- Unaju 07:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Now, some anonymous user has added the section about the figure of 7,000 people at Animania 2004 being a "through the door" value and thus controversial. Because it's unsourced, I plan on removing it, but there's a little problem - the media release that mentioned the 7,000 is now unavailable on the Animania site. I'm going to leave the number, but remove the link, but I hope we can find an alternative source to replace it. Confusing Manifestation 12:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I was involved in the planning and execution of Animania 2002 and was a member of the 2002 Sydney University Anime Society executive committee. The article currently describes the 2002 event as being 'started by then-President (Founding President, 2001) and Treasurer (Founding Vice President, 2001) of SUAnime (the Sydney University Anime Society)'. I don't believe this is an accurate description and am concerned it downplays the contributions of a number of people who worked to make the initial Animania a reality. My recollection is that it was indeed Dexter and Louis who made the initial suggestion to do a convention but it was due to the efforts of all those who participated in its planning and execution that the event 'started'. There were a number of anime society executives who contributed and it would seem more correct to say the event was started by the society, rather than to highlight any particular individual. I can't seem to find any evidence for the statement and believe it qualifies as an unsourced controversial statement. Michael Camilleri 00:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I've made a start on this section, including a photo courteously donated by commons:User:Adun (plus another one in the Halcyon section). At the moment, though, it's just got one bit on the cosplay and one on the move to ATP. I'm not sure how much more there is to say on the main Sydney event, but a bit more on the other locations would probably be an idea. Confusing Manifestation 01:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
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I tried this one with wayback but had no luck. =/ - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 21:06, 20 July 2015 (UTC)