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Wiki prefers for all critique to be written into the article and not stand alone (as is happening here) as a way to discredit Afrocentrism. In other words the critique should be mered into the natural flow of the content which gives greater balance.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Halaqah ( talk • contribs)
Very messy, not only a massive criticism section which I am guilt of adding to. But it speaks to the politics behind this article. Where the criticism is almost as large as any serious content. The tone, the sweeping range of topics doesn't flow. Almost like a haters dumping ground. Not to mention a lack of reply from reliable Afrocentrics such as Asante.-- Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ ( talk) 21:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree, the article has again been butchered by Afrocentrist editors. "A reading of world history" indeed. It is full of weasel words and hilariously bizarre statements. A deep revert or radical cleanup is needed, dumping all the apologetics and primary sources, basing it on encyclopedic secondary literature.
While it is very easy to keep white racism out of Wikipedia, black counter-racism is perpetually allowed to creep back in, no matter how many times we clean it up. This is of course the US doctrine of positive discrimination, which basically states that racism and pseudohistory is ok as long as you are a miniority. Needless to say, this may be permissible in US society, but it certainly isn't so on Wikipeida, which is an encyclopedia project with international scope and dedication to neutrality. -- dab (𒁳) 11:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
The fact that African opinions are not included is good, not bad. Wikipedia isn't meant to include opinions. 64.79.43.109 ( talk) 02:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
This article concept seems to be very important for the readers but it consists of many major problems which is little hard to figure out. Firstly, as mentioned above it is very messy, confused and all the data is dropped and it needs clean up. Lizia7 ( talk) 11:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Under Wikipedia's current polices it is impossible for this article to be unbiased. The Afrocentric movement is dominated by genocidal madmen but that's not something we are allowed to talk about. 75.93.51.156 ( talk) 23:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
The first problem is the white view of what Afrocentricity is. In their eyes Afrocentrism means not agreeing with the white assertions on Africa. So ANYONE who says Egypt is an African civilization is the bases for being Afrocentric or not. Now with the lack of media power you would have to believe me when I say Most Black people hold this position. Mummy Return does not change this. You can hold many positive views of Africa and not be Afrocentric (like me). So the first issue with this article is "What is Afrocentricity" it certainly is not identity politics because every white historical study is at its root identity politics. So i guess we see the racism again. Whites do identity politics and it is history, Africans do it and it is revisionism. What is Afrocentrism as a distinctive ideology is the first place to start this article.
a lot of this article is also confusing the personalities of people called Afrocentric with Afrocentricity. As if every last thing Karenga does is an aspect of his Afrocentric ideology. So it is incapable of understanding Karenga can be an Afrocentric but also something else when dealing with Kawida etc. This habit of condensing people into boxes is evident here. i have no idea why Kwanzaa is all mixed up in the history section. Or is Pan-African and Afrocentric now the same thing? -- Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ ( talk) 12:21, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Halqh states "Whites do identity politics and it is history, Africans do it and it is revisionism."
That's a bit of a broad statement when "identity politics" encompasses so many different things and scenarios. That's not to say that White revisionism has never happened or never does happen; it certainly happens quite a bit with regards to US history (for example), which tends to overemphasize political markers (the Revolution, presidents, Constitution, even the Civil War -although slavery was a central cause- is a political marker), while under-emphasizing ethnocultural developments, including the massive contributions that African-Americans have made to American society and culture. But it's also difficult to argue that some of the more extreme elements of Afrocentrism are not also revisionist to the nth degree (such as, for example, the bold -and whimsical- assertion that Greek civilization plagiarized African civilizations). Revisionism happens on both sides; the fact that it occurs on the White side (and -unfortunately- often goes unnoticed) doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't be able to identify revisionism when it occurs on the Black side.
Having said that, you bring up a very important question: what exactly is Afrocentrism? And what are its geographic parameters? Yes, Egypt is in Africa, but I always understood Afrocentrism to consist of pride and nationalism for Sub-Saharan African peoples and civilizations and the diaspora Black cultures of the Americas (which are not located in Africa). In other words, the Black diaspora, which is not conterminous with the African continent. Maybe this can be clarified in the article? Are there different strands of Afrocentrism? What about contemporary Egypt? Given that modern-day Egyptians do identify with ancient Egypt, and genetic testing has backed this up by proving a solid link between modern-day Egyptians and ancient Egyptians (despite the fact that the Arabic language has replaced Egyptian during the Islamic era); it would certainly be an interesting angle to examine whether or not Afrocentrism has any following in Egypt, or if Egyptians -rather- lean towards pan-Arabism or maybe some sort of pan-Semitism. Like I said, I always understood Afrocentrism to be a Black/sub-Saharan nationalist consciousness that excluded Semitic North Africa, and included the Black diaspora populations of the Americas (African-Americans, Afro-Brazilians, Afro-Caribbeans, etc). That's not to say that my understanding of Afrocentrism is "the correct one". I'm simply asking the question: are there different strands of Afrocentrism, some of which might include Egypt and North Africa, and others that might exclude it? And where does the Black diaspora of the Americas fit in?
Another angle that should be explored in this article is whether or not there is some sort of spectrum of Afrocentrism? Just by reading the posts in the talk page (including the archived posts), it seems that there's a bit of a heated controversy over whether or not to include (within "Afrocentrism") some of the more extremist beliefs, such as the discredited Greek-Africa plagiarism theory I mentioned above. Because this theory has been associated with Afrocentrism, it would certainly be valuable if the article mentions that such extreme theories only exist within fringe elements of Afrocentrism, if that is in fact the case. Is there a different, more mainstream Afrocentrism? One that chronicles ethnocultural and historic events that are undeniably African and/or Black/Sub-Saharan, such as the Mali Empire, the Songhai Empire, the advanced Swahili trading culture in East Africa and Black diaspora cultural movements from Jazz to Capoeira to Reggae to Candomblé? Is there a more uncontroversial Afrocentric mainstream that focuses on these things? And are discredited theories such as Black Aristotle limited to a fringe? Skyduster ( talk) 06:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
The criticism section was titled "Attacks on Afrocentrism", so I revised it to "Criticism of Afrocentrism". The word "attacks" sounds hostile and implies that criticisms of Afrocentrism stem solely from bias, rather than legitimate critical analysis and dialogue. Ironically, usage of the word "attacks" is itself a biased intent on the part of the author who titled it so. Skyduster ( talk) 16:15, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Back to the problem raised by editors in the above threads. Afrocentric =/= African centered. Although there is a serious relationship. I suspect Afrocentricity is a very specific kind of "academia". So Gates is 100% no fan of Afrocentrism and it no fan of his. But that encyclopedia is African Centered. Unesco work stresses an emphasis on the African worldview -- No one disagrees b/cuz worldviews are influenced by cultural and ethnic orientation -- we do not see the world the same. But Afrocentrism is a lot more than a African opinion on African history, or even an African "bias". It also has an attitude (like Eurocentrism) of Negation. So I do not think African centered education belongs here. Carter Wodson might have inspired today's Afrocentrics but did he call himself Afrocentric? I think this term should only apply to people who identify with the ideology. Like in Israel you have the "New Historians" but you cannot just call someone that, unless they identify with it. -- Inayity ( talk) 18:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Let us look at the unreferenced material Zulu Shabazz, Jr is adding in:
Strange that you accuse me of POV. Yet have not shown it. -- Inayity ( talk) 09:18, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
16:47, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Per WP:TAGGING Tagging has to be constructive. The fact that a section has a tag, means that section has an issue. Not necessarily the entire article. Tags do not stay on indefinitely. You must justify the tags you place. It means : Even if the problem seems obvious, it's useful to leave a short note on the talk page describing the issue, and suggesting an approach to fixing it if you know how. Some editors feel this should be mandatory and "drive-by" tagging should be prohibited. The talk page is therefore key in explaining why tags are necessary for the entire article. It is like beating a child but not explaining what the lashes are for. Section tags are enough for violating sections. Other areas have already been re-written. -- Inayity ( talk) 23:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
1) "Afrocentrics have been accused of regularly denying, mitigating, or outright ignoring, or reinterprets certain negative aspects of Africans; most notably the selling of African slaves by other Africans to the Europeans, the Rwandan Genocide, and the ongoing struggles against rape and violence in many African nations today, generally placing blame for these atrocities directly or indirectly on the Europeans and Arabs, and denying any serious culpability on part of Africans.[18]"
Afrocentrics have indeed recognized the selling of Africans by Africans to Europeans. Tribal lifestyle all across Africa, West Africa in particular, was disrupted by the infiltration of Europeans. Many Tribal leaders were desperate and had to consider the well being of the community over individuals. Therefore, the decision to sell fellow Africans was an economic one based upon survival. Most of these were servants or people deemed as not contributing to the community, such as transgressors of Tribal Law. In addition, many of the 'Africans' selling Africans were of Arab descent. All cultures all over the world have some form of human trafficking for various services from sex to domestic work. Africans were not alone in this yet the European aspect of the trade was based on pure greed and assumed that the African people were animals. Slaves from Africa were stripped of language, culture, cosmology and even their Tribal names which in Africa have a Divine Spiritual purpose based on Sacred Mathematics and other Esoteric connotations. They were bound, shackled, muzzled and whipped. People in African households employed as servants were not treated in this manner.
The behaviors found in many African nations such as Rwanda are recent. The kind of violence found in Africa today developed AFTER European infiltration. The codependent, neurotic relationship between European 'masters' and African servants/slaves and the stripping of language, culture and cosmology by missionaries has been studied by many scholars like Yosef Ben-Jochannan and Cheikh Anta Diop. The stress put on the minds, bodies and spirits of Africans: being made slaves in their own land and deprived of the archetypical belief systems that make all people human has resulted in identity confusion, disassociation and other personality disorders which have been the direct result of the vestiges of chattel slavery. 'Acting out' would be the expected response, according to the The American Psychiatric Association's DSM IV. Dr. Joy DeGroy's dissertation on Post Traumatic Slavery Syndrome (PTSS) is a timely and scholarly look at the trauma of slavery being passed down to subsequent generations. This same phenomenon was proven to be valid in the case of the progeny of Holocaust survivors.
2) "Van Sertima said that the Olmec civilization was a hybrid one of Africans and Native Americans. His theory of pre-Columbian American-African contact has since met with considerable and detailed opposition by scholars of Mesoamerica. Van Sertima has been accused of "doctoring" and twisting data to fit his conclusions, inventing evidence, and ignoring the work of respected Central and South American scholars in the advance of his own theory,[37] and his claims are not taken seriously by mainstream scholars."
Dr. Van Sertima proved his assertions using the the standard 12-criteria format, that is required for archaeological studies, by Oxford University. He presented his findings to a panel of Oxford Scholars and his work could not be disputed by them because he used their very criteria to prove it. In addition, the last statement is untrue. There are several archaeologists and scholars on Ancient Cultures, such as David Hatcher Childress, who have said that the Olmecs were a multi-cultural society that included Asian, African, Eastern European and Indigenous peoples.
Nibiru60 ( talk) 06:18, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
David Hatcher Childress is not an archaeologist nor is he a legitimate scholar on any American cultures or civilizations. And because he attended a university for about 1 year (and whether it was ten yrs), he has to provide [legitimate] evidence for his claims. He is basically a story teller. Van Sertima was a professor but his claims were just as absurd as Pierre Honore (scientist and diplomat) and his "Quest of the White God." http://www.amazon.com/Quest-White-God-pierre-honore/dp/B000H4MQS8
Also: "Robbing Native American Cultures: Van Sertima's Afrocentricity"www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/vansertima.pdf
And especially see http://statigr.am/native_faces JohnLinehan ( talk) 02:46, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Right about the first point about Childress? Wrong about Van Sertima? Not sure I understand your point. Van Sertima's claims were as absurd as Honore's. So your point about politics is also unclear, if not absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.135.106.74 ( talk) 15:54, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that this article has been placed in Category:Fringe theories, even though this assertion is not supported by the article's text. Why is the article categorized this way? Jarble ( talk) 20:02, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Edit this article and not the editor. See Also is for is not a shopping list of anything with centrism in the end. What is the rationale, what is the relationship. If an edit is reverted take it to the talk page. [1] So see also is not a dust bin. Eurocentrism and Afrocentrism share a history of antagonism. That is the rationale. The burden of inclusion is on you to bring the argument here. Not interested in Ownership interested in your rationale and compliance with the Talk Page. -- Inayity ( talk) 08:12, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
it went beyond just you don't own...but if you bothered to read the whole thing, you would have seen...I said...
Of course it has a relation.
They're both continental "centrisms". How is that totally irrelevant? It's not like I put "Germans in the Civil War" or something, that has nothing to do with anything, out of left field. But this here is a continental or regional "centrist" view article. Obviously there's relation. So I will not put up with front excuses that are not really valid, to cover your real reason for removing, which obviously is you just "don't like".
I mean, how exactly is there "no relation"?
There's Eurocentrism, Afrocentrism, and Asiocentrism. (Yes, such a thing does exist.)
You never bothered to address any of that, but simply edit-warred again, with nonsense excuses of your own, reverted, and removed the comment from your page. I'm done trying to reason with you, as you proved (I kinda knew it from the beginning actually) that you simply can't be reasoned with. There doesn't seem to be much of a point. You have uptight over-scrupulous NON-Wikipedia ideas and notions here.
Check it...
Or look up what "See also" articles are allowed to be. They don't have to always 100% "directly related" to the main article, in the sense you're thinking. They can have some relation or commonality. It's whatever. I don't have time or patience for uptight nonsense or bullying disrespectful dishonest junk. Regards. Gabby Merger ( talk) 08:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Can't edit myself because locked. External link to page on Clarence E. Walker is broken, correct URL is http://history.ucdavis.edu/people/cewalker. 82.2.125.203 ( talk) 17:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
One of the most consistent things in the Afrocentric ideology is the external impact of Arabs and Europeans on Africa. True or false. I do not think Chancellor Williams is talking about marginalized by other Africans. The entire "Blame" is placed outside of Africa. This is something very peculiar about Afrocentrism, so much so that this is what its detractors accuse it of doing. -- Inayity ( talk) 18:30, 10 November 2013 (UTC)-- Inayity ( talk) 18:30, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
The quote by Genovese has nothing to do with Afrocentrism and should be removed. 216.8.148.134 ( talk) 16:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
I am looking at Real history www. I need clarification on why it was removed as an Afrocentric EL. See this page which uses copyrighted material in what I believe is a . Fair use capacity under copyright law. As we can see we have very few Afrocentric sites to link to, I think it is better we have some. I am not afraid of information, because if it is in error let it be seen for what it is. This page is about Afrocentrism, and that seems to be a very Afrocentric typical site. -- Inayity ( talk) 15:31, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
From what I have seen (just look at the talk page on this encyclopedia's article on them!), Afrocentrists have an obsession that the Moors from North Africa were all 100% black (in a time where the America-style white-or-black system did not exist), citing a few paintings of blacks when the majority of the paintings by the Moors (and even their contemporary enemies) showed them as not dissimilar to modern North Africans. Of course, the great irony is that these few blacks were slaves of the majority Berbers and Arabs.
Maybe this pseudohistory comes from modern websites and is based on the average American's assumption that everybody in Africa is black, but I think in the 1920s there was a black secret society called the Moors so I assume there were books written on the subject. Could those writers - and more importantly, the rebuttal of their propaganda - be included in this article? '''tAD''' ( talk) 02:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
(I find the whole Afrocentric Moors ideal very strange, as certainly in Europe the same civilisation is used as a supremacist battering ram of "we ruled you, we taught you" by Islamists. It's like how everybody claims they were the first in the Americas, I suppose)
If Hyperdiffusionism in archaeology is relevant to this article (per the tag) then it should have been heavily discussed in Academic circles and esp on the ancillary page if it is a notable characteristic of Afrocentrism. I think it is true of Afrocentrism but I see no mention of it hence why I am asking about the connection. -- Inayity ( talk) 19:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
A discussion thread about the reliability and notability of this author and his pages is taking place at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Owen 'Alik Shahadah, please comment there so we can get a final consensus. Rupert Loup ( talk) 12:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
NobleFrog had challenge a reference which is not full. The reference says "Akbar, Dr. Na'im (1998)" which probably refers to " Akbar, Na'im (1998). Know Thyself. Mind Productions & Associates. ISBN 978-0-935257-06-9.", I can't verify the source, someone is interested in give it a look? Rupert Loup ( talk) 20:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
I see that material fact-tagged in the last few weeks has been removed. Unless it's very contentious I usually leave it longer than that if I can't source it (which is the best thing to do). Here it is if others can source it:
"Afrocentrics have been accused of regularly denying, mitigating, or outright ignoring, or reinterprets certain negative aspects of Africans; most notably the selling of African slaves by other Africans to the Europeans, the Rwandan Genocide, and the ongoing struggles against rape and violence in many African nations today, generally placing blame for these atrocities directly or indirectly on the Europeans and Arabs, and denying any serious culpability on part of Africans. citation needed Some observe that this trend is not unique to Afrocentrics but many national or ethnocentric-based ideologies. citation needed" Doug Weller ( talk) 18:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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Portraying Afrocentrism as this mostly benign movement...are you f-cking kidding me?! Afrocentrism is nothing more than repackaged euocentric racism! Black people who are proud of their true cultural heritage do not go around calling themselves "afrocentrists"! Afrocentrists are racists who try to claim that every great civilization of Ancient times were black civilizations...and no, I am NOT talking about Egypt - these clowns going around claiming the Chinese, Celts & Native Americans were black! Even if they were black, they certainly weren't by the time their recorded cultural history came around! And with the "out of Africa" theory, EVERY race was once black. This article completely whitewashes afrocentrism and conflates it with black African pride when they are NOT the same thing! -- 86.191.199.111 ( talk) 18:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
It says "Afrocentrism...is an approach to the study of world history that focuses on the history of people of African descent." Given that almost all sensible modern science says that all humans are of African descent, that seems a pretty pointless perspective. I've just discovered this article, so I don't know what it's trying to tell me, but I'm sure that could be written a little more meaningfully.
What DOES it actually mean? HiLo48 ( talk) 22:38, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
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This page is severly biased and reads like anti white propaganda... — Preceding unsigned comment added by CorectingYourInfo ( talk • contribs) 12:57, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
It is biased against white people... it's not neutral and is full of anti white undrtones — Preceding unsigned comment added by CorectingYourInfo ( talk • contribs) 13:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Afrocentrism, in common usage (such as the google dictionary definition, and even the root of the word), is defined as the idea that people of black or African descent were responsible for most or all of the achievements of ancient cultures. However, this article reads like something entirely different, that people of African descent seek to correct mistakes created by white or European historians. Simply changing the name of this article (and creating a new one about the classic definition of Afrocentrism) would perfectly resolve the issue, in my opinion.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.164.25 ( talk) 03:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Please change "enthnocentric" -> "ethnocentric"
People often confuse Afrocentricity with Afrocentrism. Asante, the person who coined Afrocentricity, has made this clear. He addressed Clarence Walker's (and other's) claims as unfounded, and largely because of walkers confusion of the two terms in order to make straw-man arguments (See Molefi K. Asante's "The Afrocentric Manifesto"). Scholars who have not studied the paradigm will confuse the terms for various reasons But Afrocentrism is simply an unacademic social movement with no real body of theories or direction. It has simply been lazily used to apply to those of certain aesthetics and ideology. Afrocentricity, however, is a theoretical paradigm that Afrocentrists use to approach African phenomena from the standpoint of African agency. Afrocentrists are not adherents of Afrocentrism.
It is a cultural bias and a type of cultural superiority complex that has allowed these terms to be misapplied without caring to fully understand the intricacies of the theories developed by the people who created and use these terms. Read "The Afrocentric Manifesto" as well as "The Afrocentric Idea" by Molefi K. Asante. Also read "The Afrocentric Paradigm" by Ama Mazama as well as "The Demise of the Inhuman: Afrocentricity, Modernism, and Postmodernism" by Ana Monteiro-Ferreira (along with the critiques by Stephen Howe, Walker, Tunde Adeleke, and Paul Gilroy) to get a rounded understanding of the differences between the terms Afrocentricity, Afrocentrist, Afrocentrism, and Africanity, as well as the various theories and arguments for/against.
I thank you in advance for being rational and editors committed to limiting cultural bias. Africologist ( talk) 15:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I may have institutional access. If you post the citations, I can try to read them. jps ( talk) 20:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
You are correct. No one else claims ownership of Afrocentricity. It has merely at times in the past been confused with Afrocentrism. The meaning of the term Afrocentricity has not "diversified"; though Afrocentrism certainly has. And yes, I believe creating a new article is best. I don't rule out a redirect but I think a new article is best to mitigate any further confusion between the two. There is plenty of scholarship that presents the difference between the two. Here are a couple links: "Defending the Paradigm" https://www.jstor.org/stable/40034783?seq=1 / "Afrocentricity and the Western Paradigm" https://www.jstor.org/stable/40282637?seq=1 (discusses Afrocentric theory and critiques) Africologist ( talk) 01:09, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Based on the articles I read, I thought that Afrocentrism was not a scholarly movement of any significance and was more of a reactionary and fringe movement. The fact that so many historians and scholars disagree with Asante and the other prominent Afrocentric scholars mentioned highlights how this isn't really an accepted historical viewpoint. Am I wrong in thinking this or should this article be ammended to better reflect the fringe nature of this movement? Apologies if this has been answered before. Originalcola ( talk) 20:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
I should have used a different heading as I wanted to see why Afrocentrism is being treated as accepted amongst historians. Considering the prevalence of Afrocentrism in Africana studies, the article has a right to exist. But it must also be considered that the proponents of Afrocentrism like Asante are not historians and that support is strongest in anthropological and black studies journals like the Journal of Black Studies. If anyone could find any peer-reviewed history journals discussing Afrocentrism then this article could really be improved to provide an accurate reflection of how accepted Afrocentrism really amongst historians because the current article gives too much weight to minor scholars and pseudohistorical pieces of work. Originalcola ( talk) 00:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Could it be pertinent to associate afrocentrism with black supremacism ideology or create a section about this?
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66.208.143.208 ( talk) 15:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
lemme edit it
The whole term Afrocentrism really means Blackcentrism. North Africans, who are largely not black and never have been, at least since before the Neolithic Era, are either classed as 'invaders', 'foreigners', "recent migrants' or 'mixed race' and simply dismissed as not being African because they are not black. Furthermore they have to suffer repeated attempts to appropriate their history, culture and heritage by Afrocentrics who only consider Black People as Africans. Should not the North African experience and viewpoint be included? Should so called 'Afro' centrism not be called out for what it actually is? 80.3.238.120 ( talk) 10:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
I noticed how this page has more unfavorable content with more of the unsupported written about the subject, nearly saying questions by Africans -and all I add- are emotion and not intellectual, leaving the reader of subject with the impression Afrocentrism is nonsensical as opposed Eurocentrism which is given some validations and on it’s See Also has no link to white supremacy and pseudoscience as with Afrocentrism which has to black supremacy and pseudoscience. A saw things just noticed. I would like to some more positives on this page equal to that Eurocentrism. The one who may do this thank you🙏. 41.116.25.131 ( talk) 14:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I made edits to the section about the speculations about africans in the americas before columbus, and about the anti-indigenous violence they perpetuate. Reminder that wikipedias guidelines are as follow:
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If you do not like what I wrote, improve it. However you might feel about the situation, it is fact that the speculations are most perpetuated on social media platforms and that the purpose behind them is anti-indigenous violence due to the speculations being indigenous erasure as described by afro-indigenous scholars such as Kyle T Mays.
Regarding the examples of anti-indigenous violence, the information shared is not "personal information" as has been alleged, but information from PUBLIC accounts of mass followings that created PUBLIC content.
One thing I would like to add, if you would stop the revert warring, is that Ivan van Sertima has said himself that he was "not too confident about the evidence" he had accrued in attempt to support his speculations, as per his interview for the wall street journal. Nativebun ( talk) 18:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
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