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I'd support this. I think it's a clear sign of a needed split when an article is covering events in a bizarre way like this one, splitting reactions into "2023 reactions" and "2024 reactions" etc bc the topics are so different. Maybe we could also have an article at
Georgian foreign agent law/
Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence that would cover the shared context of the protests?
HappyWith (
talk) 14:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Actually, returning to this discussion, I'm not sure. The structural problems actually don't seem too baked in. Lots of unnecessary "reactions" bloat of European and Georgian politicians repeating the same statements over and over. We could easily fix those problems then just rename the article to
Georgian foreign agent law protests or something.
HappyWith (
talk) 22:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay, I'm convinced by Jmc's comment in the previous discussion: It's inarguable that it's essentially the same issue with similar public involvement. The fact that there was a period of lower public activity between the two manifestations is not reason enough to have two separate articles. I'd oppose the split.
HappyWith (
talk) 13:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Both 2023 and 2024 protests were about same topic and having a separate article for 2023 protests would be very inconclusive since 2024 protests are continuation of the 2023 thing. The reactions, sides, topic, context are all the same, there is nothing peculiar about 2023 protests which would suggest that are different in a major way from 2024 protests. Just because there was a gap does not mean it is a different thing. Also, the difference about law is only that term "foreign agent" was replaced with "organization carrying out foreign interests". The outcome of 2024 might be different that's why having separate article for 2023 would look inconclusive.
Nivzaq (
talk) 17:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Came from ITN, this needs to be split even if the articles are about the same bill. If no split then there needs to be a move to rename the article referencing what the protests are about. WIth the split there can be a third article about the legislation and then two articles about the protests in each respective year. Just having "2023-2024 georgian protests" isn't specific enough.
Normalman101 (
talk) 15:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support It wasn't a continuous thing.
Firestar464 (
talk) 22:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support Also agree with you. It wasn't continuous as other protests.
JJUPLOADS22 (
talk) 18:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Strongly Oppose we literally had a discussion about renaming the article only last month, it's too recent.
Great Mercian (
talk) 09:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Could you direct me to that previous discussion about renaming the article? I don't see any such discussion on this talk page.
HappyWith (
talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you. For some reason there was no archive navigator box so I didn't see that there were archives.
HappyWith (
talk) 13:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The renaming only proposed adding the year 2024 to the 2023 only title at the time, this isn't the same thing.
Abcmaxx (
talk) 19:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment didn't we already have this conversation already or am I going crazy? I thought the consensus was to keep it merged but to rename the article something along the line of Georgian Foreign Agents Bill ProtestsScu ba (
talk) 16:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The numbers of demonstrators were removed from the article, which I believe was correct. Firstly, the anti-government protests are largely self-organized or organized by multiple entities. The number of demonstrators varies from day to day, and there were protests on the daily basis. There was only one large pro-government protest, organized by the government, and they were largely composed of people of public service workers. In other words, the government uses the administrative power to mobilize people, so these aren't as organic as anti-government protests. As for the numbers, at the first peak in 2024, 28th of April, at the anti-government protest on Rustaveli Avenue, there were around 106 000 people, according to estimates using MapChecking.com and drone footage. The next day, 29th of April, there was that government-organized demonstration I mentioned above, and aroud 97 000 people were estimated, using the same methods. On May 11th, there was the second large anti-government protest, this time on the Europe Square, and around 143 000 people were estimated at 22:00. This was the
second peak, and by far the biggest one.
These facts can be mentioned in a section, but reducing them down to simple numbers is quite deceptive.
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talk) 12:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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25.000 NGO?
The only source for the claim, Georgia has 25.000 NGO is the Jacobin article, which in itself has no source quoted for this point. It is untruthful and should be deleted.
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talk) 14:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply