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I am about to revert WCCasey's change of Province of Pennsylvania and several others to Crown colony. If we follow the logic of this change, we should also change Indiana Territory and Arkansas Territory and almost everything else to the more generic Organized incorporated territory of the United States, which I don't think would be an improvement. Per WP:BRD, (or should it be BDR?)), please discuss this here. YBG ( talk) 23:22, 10 January's 2016 (UTC)
I was just coming by the talk page to address this. They weren't Crown Colonies before ratifying the Constitution in 1787 -- they'd been "free and independent states" since the Declaration of Independence in 1776. I'm not entirely sure what they should be called for the purposes of this list, but I don't think they were colonies at that point. 2601:8D:503:EF59:29F6:9E6C:9ECE:FF82 ( talk) 13:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
I just reverted the by Drdpw that added the rather questionable link [[Government of New Jersey|Tennessee Department of State]]. Probably a typo, but thought it best to let the original editor fix it. YBG ( talk)
I believe the dates given in this article for the original 13 are wrong, because the United States of America was created by the ratification of the Articles of Confederation. The 13 states ratified the Articles from 1777 to 1779; see Articles of Confederation#Ratification. The later ratification was that of a new constitution for the same United States. I modified the current article without changing the list, by adding a sentence that one can say the dates of admission are the dates of ratifying the Articles. I leave it to others to decide whether one date should be preferred; for instance, scholars of the subject can determine what, if any, is the consensus of expert opinion. One solution might be to list the Articles dates in parentheses for the original 13. Zaslav ( talk) 01:55, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
I've added a second table to the article listing the date each of the original 13 states ratified the Articles of Confederation. I've put the list after the existing table, even though the AoC preceded the Constitution, because the main focus of this article is on when the 50 states joined the present federal Union as established by the 1787 Constitution (making it of secondary importance). Drdpw ( talk) 21:01, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
This list misleads the reader by failing to make the list of the first thirteen separate from the rest.
What the first thirteen did by ratifying the Constitution was quite a different thing from what the later ones did. They were individually named in the Constitution as states that could become members by ratifying it. They others had to ask Congress to admit them, and Congress had discretion in the matter, and did not admit all that applied. And the first eight that ratified the Constitution did not thereby become members until nine had ratified it. Michael Hardy ( talk) 03:05, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
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California was not created from "unorganized territory". While true that, due to arguments over slavery, the U.S. itself never formally organized California into a territory prior statehood. California was created from the formerly Mexican province of Alta California. Prior to 1804, Alta California along with the Baja California peninsula had previously comprised the province of Las Californias, but was split off into a separate province until 1804 when New Spain formally established Nueva California. It became Alta California after the Mexican War of Independence. In the 1836 Siete Leyes government reorganization, the two Californias were once again combined into a single departamento. That merge was undone in October 1845, just before the start of the Mexican-American War. [1] Alta California included all of the modern US states of California, Nevada and Utah, and parts of Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico. The government of Alta California remained consistent under several military governors of California, starting with Cdre. John Drake Sloat who claimed California for the United States, and was relieved by Cdre. Robert F. Stockton who actually deposed the last Mexican governor Pío Pico, who was followed by Gen. Stephen W. Kearny, Gen. Richard Barnes Mason, Gen. Persifor Frazer Smith, and Gen. Bennet C. Riley, who, following the California Constitutional Convention, was replaced by California's first elected Governor Peter Hardeman Burnett who then became the state of California's first Governor upon California's admission into statehood as part of the Compromise of 1850 where the remainder of Alta California was split into the Utah Territory and New Mexico Territory. [2] [3]
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Therefore it is my contention that using the moniker "Unorganized Territory" next to California is de facto incorrect if even de jure correct because no Organic Act was passed by the U.S. Congress. scooteristi ( talk) 16:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't the 2nd sentence in the 2nd paragraph read "They possess all powers not exclusively granted to the federal government, nor prohibited to them by the Constitution of the United States." with the word exclusively added? Several powers are shared by states and the federal government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.130.231.222 ( talk) 14:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)