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I am seeking help to design the infobox that will appear on the article pages. The information to appear in the box is on this project page. Station Attendant 22:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm willing to help out with the WikiProject: Minnesota State Highways. I'm new to creating Wikipedia articles, but I'm sure I'll get the hang of it.
I live in central Minnesota, so I'd be willing to supply information about highways that serve around my area (Brainerd, St. Cloud, etc.), as needed.
I tried my luck, updating the MN-371 and by creating the article for MN-301, hopefully according to the standards of using the infobox on the page. I would appreciate it if whoever is in charge with this project lets me know if I'm doing things the right way, or what I should do to fix anything. My only question was, am I supposed to superimpose the route number of the Highway shield sign? If so, what font/size am I supposed to use, or do I just guess and check?
Thanks
SpaceJunkie 02:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I created a SVG for the Minnesota State Route Marker. The colors should be right, an also the aspect ratios - if not, give me the right rgb colors and I'll fix that. Since I'm not from the U.S. I'm not too keen on making a SVG for every PNG Image out there ... but, if anyone neads help, drop me a line @ de:Benutzer:Ucc.
In the commons I added a new category ( commons:Category:Minnesota_State_Route_markers) an I allready created a marker for Route 62:
If you want me to rename the Images or the categorys in the commons, just tell me. -- ucc 10:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Many articles covered by this WikiProject lack photographs. As part of a subcategorization of the requested photos category, there is now a category for Minnesota articles needing photos - to use it, just add {{ reqphotoin|Minnesota}} to the article's talk page. I have only added a few articles to the category so far, but it would be an easy way to make an extensive list Minnesota-related articles lacking photos. I hope you find it useful! TheGrappler 06:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Highway X seems to be the most common name used. Thus we should move the articles in accordance with use common names and avoid neologisms. -- SPUI ( T - C) 21:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
The article title can probably remain at "Minnesota State Highway X" as long as suitable redirects are made. Also, the bolded text in the intro should definitely be the proper (correct/legal) name of the route. -- Polaron | Talk 22:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
MNDOT is occasionally inconsistent:
From a legal perspective, the following are important:
I'm presenting this as information only, not as endorsement of any particular system of naming. In other words, someone else can figure it out. -- Elkman - (Elkspeak) 04:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The differences of opinion on terminology are reflected on changes made in other pages, including those for Minnesota State Highways 33 and 16. In the interests of having relevant discussion in one place, I reprint here the (current) discussion page from the latter highway [12]:
Start of MN 16 Talk Page]
I changed the opening sentence to read:
"Minnesota State Highway 16, also referred to as Trunk Highway 16 or TH 16, is a two lane highway in Southeast Minnesota that follows the route of Old U.S. Highway 16."
The use of the term "State Highway" is consistent with Minnesota usage, and also helps distinguish this road from Houston County Highway 16. Kablammo 22:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I guess we Scandanavians just don't know how to write. [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] Looks like the National Park Service [19] and the Army Corps of Engineers [20] don't either. But more to the point: "Minnesota State Highway 16", "Minnesota Wild Rice", and "Wikipedia article" are all nouns, and comport with the rules of grammar. See this article [21] for a discussion. Kablammo 02:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
End of MN 16 Talk Page]
I hope that that we can reach agreement on both the usage for the titles, but also avoid constant re-edits of text on the same basic issue. Kablammo 02:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Your state is invited to participate in discussions for its highway naming convention. Please feel free to participate in this discussion. If you already have a convention that follows the State Name Type xx designation, it is possible to request an exemption as well. Thanks! -- Rschen7754 ( talk - contribs) 00:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Since there was controversy on WT:USSH over what the common name of Minnesota state highways are, polls have reopened regarding the common name. See WT:USSH to comment or vote. The poll will close at 11:59 PM UTC on October 8. Thanks. -- TMF T - C 14:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I submitted a question to the Minnesota Department of Transportation regarding the official naming of Minnesota highways. Here is the response from Jerry Baldwin, Library Director. (My original questions are in bold.)
The question you submitted to info@dot.state.mn.us was forwarded to Mn/DOT Library for a response.
1. Is the official name of a highway of the form "Minnesota State Highway x", "State Highway x", "Trunk Highway x", or something else?
I can find no document specifying what constitutes an "official name" in relation to numbered highways that constitute the state highway system. In almost all state documents the individual highways are referred to as "THx." The use of the designation "TH" or "Trunk Highway" began with the amendment to the Minnesota Constitution ( http://worldcat.org/oclc/8294090 ) that created the system of highways administered by the state, adopted in 1920, and has been used in subsequent legislation ( http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/161 ).
2. If the official name of a highway does not start with "Minnesota", is it acceptable to refer to highways as "Minnesota State Highway x" in a work like Wikipedia that is used within all 50 states, as well as outside the USA?
The use of the state name preceding a highway number is common practice, but is not designated as "official" or "acceptable" in relation to Minnesota highways. There might be legislation in other states that adopt "offical" designations.
3. Are there any good examples of publications, such as AASHTO documents, that refer to multiple state highway systems that could be used as a preference for this discussion?
AASHTO has issued, and from time to time updates a publication titled "United States Numbered Highways" ( http://worldcat.org/oclc/37586174 ). However, that policy document applies only to the designation and signing of the system of U.S and Interstate highways and provides for consistent numbering and signing of highways that cross state borders or are part of the Interstate highway system. Standards for the numbering and signing of highways wholly within any given state vary from state to state.
Please let me know if I can be of further help.
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What's the best way to do county road shields? We have some counties using only the blue pentagon (i.e. Ramsey), some using just the white square (usually rural) and some that use both (i.e. Washington). I did read somewhere that the pentagon is used for CSAHs and the square for normal county roads. Should we pick one or the other as a standard? Or try to go by each county's usage? Something else? -- Sable232 17:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Infoboxes are now in on nearly every state highway article. The only exceptions are a couple of the very short routes serving state institutions. -- Sable232 21:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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Since there's been no activity here in months, do we want to archive this whole page manually so we can preserve the page history?
Secondly, is automatic archiving really necessary since there is hardly any activity here? -- Sable232 00:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually - you have a good point - removing the archiver bot code, but I'm leaving the archive links -- master_son Talk - Edits 01:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, all the old PNG highway name shields have been replaced with SVG shields. Since that's been done, I've nominated the old PNG images for deletion at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 June 22#Image:MNHighway100.png. If you have any objections, you might want to voice them at the link. I doubt this is going to be controversial, though. -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 20:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
We should come to an agreement on how to format the termini in the infobox. Right now there are two different ways, and it would be nice to standardize them.
I prefer the first one. Since the termini are already linked to in prose, the extra link isn't entirely necessary. Having "MN-1" there is redundant to the shield. Not to mention the first one takes up less space. -- Sable232 18:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
All of the USRD Clean-up Templates have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. master son T - C 16:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Can someone get a photo of the parkway section of Interstate 35E, either from a car or from above? Thank you. -- NE2 01:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
For some odd reason the name of the easternmost mile of Highway 7, running from its intersection with Highway 100 to its eastern terminus at the intersection of France Avenue and Lake Street, was changed to Highway 25 some years ago (I don't know the exact date). Nonetheless, street signs along a "service road" still identify it as Highway 7. Why does any of that make sense? Michael Hardy 04:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
In response to a few issues that came up, we are giving a reminder to all state highway wikiprojects and task forces:
Regards, Rschen7754 ( T C) 05:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Yesterday I worked at filling in the gap in the exit list for I-94. I was wondering if we add in exits for rest areas? http://www.dot.state.mn.us/restareas/ has a list of all the rest areas in Minnesota. If so, do we just state "Rest Area" or give the specific name? Also, I did end up making the county road shields for the exits in Wright, Stearns, Todd and Douglas counties. I hope I did it right.. although I know that all the blue pentagon shields in my end of the state use white lettering, so that's how I made mine.
Also, US 10 looks like it could use an exit list makeover, except I'm not sure what the format is supposed to look like, since outside of the Twin Cities, it's pretty much all at-grade intersections except for around Sauk Rapids, Little Falls, and a few main intersections heading towards Moorhead.
And a few questions about termini: In our TH 18 article, it has the eastern terminus at I-35. I think that TH 18 might actually end at TH 23 about a half mile west of I-35. In addition to the route log, the Pine County map on the MnDOT site doesn't show any sign of 18 going to the interstate: http://www.dot.state.mn.us/maps/cadd/county/pine2.pdf, and although 18 is signed with 23 on the I-35 exit, it's probably just as a guide since TH 18 is basically right nearby.
Also, it appears as if TH 28 runs concurrent with TH 27 into Little Falls. Looking at the route log it says TH 28 is "COINCIDENT WITH MNTH 27 FROM REFERENCE POINTS 123+00.234 TO 135+00.150", which means that TH 28 would end at Lindbergh Dr / CSAH 52 in Little Falls (which was the former routing of Highway 10 many years back). From the times I've been in Little Falls, I can remember that 28 is co-signed with 27 at least to the east of the TH 238 intersection, but once you get into Little Falls I don't remember 28 being signed very well, if at all. The Little Falls map on the Mn/DOT site makes it appear as if TH 28 ends closer to the Mississippi River, but I'd still guess it ends at Lindbergh Dr. http://www.dot.state.mn.us/maps/cadd/city/Over5000/littlefalls.pdf
Here's a Minnesota Highway Ends site with the guy having the same termini for the highways as I mentioned above: http://ajfroggie.com/roadpics/mn-ends/mn018.htm<br\>http://ajfroggie.com/roadpics/mn-ends/mn028.htm
If you want me to make any of those changed, I gladly will, or will not.
Thanks,
SpaceJunkie (
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From the same interstate issue with Maryland althoguh now Minnesota uses neutral shields, the stat-nmae specific is still display quite a bit on alot of 2 di-numbers. I-35, I-90, and I-94 still commonly display state-name specific. Its okay to use it on route summary section only which is almost history section only when image show 100 px only. From 25x20px it will definitely not be okay to use it, neither as other infobox stuff. Interstate-Guide shade that state in black meaning it uses neutral shields, but the states have little or almost no state-specific is list on the bottom of interstate-guide page. Minnesota is obviously not on that list.-- Freewayguy Call? Fish 01:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
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The article says:
I wonder if someone's got the wrong decade here. As a kid in the '60s I remember going from home in the middle of St. Louis Park to Lake Calhoun via Lake Street (coextensive for nearly a mile with Minnetonka Blvd.) and passing through the same odd interface between Lake St. and Highway 7 that's there today (for about two blocks, Lake St. is a one-way going west, while its eastbound lane merges into the eastbound lane of Highway 7, which then ends when it merges onto Lake St. at the intersection with France Avenue. Lake Street's curve from where Excelsior Blvd merges with Lake Street, continuing east past Lake Calhoun, between the lake and the railroad track that is now a bicycle path, was shaped the same as it is now. Some of the buildings of course are more recent, but the Calhoun Beach Club building was there at that time.
Was some portion of Lake Street considered co-extensive with Highway 7? That's the only way I can see to explain this strange assertion.
I take the article to imply that it was in 1988 that the easternmost mile of Highway 7 was re-named Highway 25 (it's still labeled "Highway 7" on Google Maps, and I've seen signs along one of the service roads identifying it that way). Can someone explain this weird re-naming? It seems absurd. Is there a reason for it? Michael Hardy ( talk) 04:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
That it was County 25 is more than I'd heard. Michael Hardy ( talk) 04:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Hwy 7 did end in downtown. It followed Lake St between Excelsior and Hennepin (though a few older maps suggest it may have used Lagoon between E. Lake Calhoun Pkwy and Hennepin at one time), then took Hennepin north into downtown.
After 1965 and until the "1988 highway swap", Hwy 7 ended at Lake and Excelsior. It's at that time that the stretch east of Hwy 100 was given the County Road 25 designation. Ajfroggie ( talk) 13:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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Ok, so I was playing around with something. WOSlinker is in the process of consolidating all of the various infobox variants to use just {{ infobox road}}. That got me to thinking that CA and WA have parameters set up to list the legal definition of the highways from their statutes. The 4 sections of the Minnesota Statutes that define the various Constitutional Routes and Legislative Routes are now listed on Wikisource.
The second part is slightly confusing, but it works this way because it is using code set up for CA and WA, and the terminology doesn't match up perfectly. If you know what subsection of MS §161 defines the highway, enter that in the section parameter of the infobox. If the highway is completely defined by one CR/LR, then you can input the subdivision that lists the definition as the subsection. As long as the |section
parameter is defined, it will produce the link, if the |subsection
parameter is also defined, then it will link to the specific part of the statute. MN 610 is Route 333 in the Minnesota Statutes § 161.115(264). So for that article, input |section=115 |subsection=264
, and the infobox links to
Minnesota Statutes/Section 161.115#Subdivision 264 with the nicer looking
MS § 161.115(264) link in the infobox.
Imzadi
1979
→ 07:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
There are several short highways that only exist to connect state parks or prisons to the rest of the trunk highway network. I'd like to propose merging them together into a single list. The existing articles would be converted to redirects to the appropriate sections of the list. {{ Infobox road small}} would be used in each section, although subsections for the RD and History wouldn't be needed. If the highway doesn't have any other junctions with state highways except its termini, a junction list would not be needed either. It would be similar to Former Michigan spur routes in execution, browsers optional. Thoughts? Imzadi 1979 → 19:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I've created the page. All the existing articles were copied over essentially as-is. There's probably cleaning up that needs to be done but I don't know how they should be written so I wasn't going to try and end up making matters worse. I haven't redirected any of the old articles. -- Sable232 ( talk) 02:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)