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How about if we kept the Puerto Ricans who were either the "first" in something, who were awarded high honors such as the Medal of Honor, Medal of Freedom, Oscars, Grammys, etc., those who have had books or movies about them, who were pioneers let's say in Puerto Rican television, those whose accomplishments have transcended or island and those whose contributions to our society in general have made an impact on our island, in the "notable" list.
Then we can also have an alternate list like, for example "List of Puerto Rican Entertainers" or "List of Puerto Rican Athletes" where we can include our icons and with those who are currently famous but, whose contributions are to early to judge.
This is just an idea and I would like to hear some input. Tony the Marine 02:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
That is a good idea. PR has a big list of entertainers and the list can be endless, we need to find a method, a way to select those essential Puerto Ricans. since we are in an international encyclopedia (if we where in a pr encyclopedia then things would be very different) we need to do a selection. on a personal note many of my favorites will not be in that list.-- vertical 17:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Tony, I think that way this should be done is to sort out entertainers who have earned international recognition from those who are much more island or U.S.-based. Artists like Raul Julia, Jose Ferrer, Rita Moreno are known all over the world, whereas, Jose Agrelot, El Gangster (aka Antonio Sanchez), and Taina are more known on the island. I think they are all worthy of being added but they should be sorted out by their level of fame and notoriety.-- XLR8TION 17:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Guettarda knows what I mean and what I'm trying to get at. The actual "list" can be kept as "List of Puerto Ricans" and we can establish a "List" of highly notable Puerto Ricans, with its sub-categories" who meet the some of the above mentioned criteria. This list can be monitored by a committee composed of those of us who have been interested enough to participate in this dialogue. Tony the Marine 01:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree with
XLR8TION's and
Tony the Marine's last posts. Let's chop it up into sections and start identifying highly notable boricuas from those "just-locally" famous. The list(s) should also include a very brief description of each person's accomplishment in order to evidence his/her merit. -
Mtmelendez 12:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
This is only a "draft" of a proposal. Feel free to improve it.
First, let's eliminate the word "notable" from the original list. This can be a "List of famous Puerto Ricans" or as it is already known, a "List of Puerto Ricans" which can include even those PR's whose fame is short lived.
Second, we establish a "List of "notable" Puerto Ricans", which will include only the names of those who are highly notable and meet an established criteria. This list will also have sub-categories (same as the original list) therefore the names will not be lumped together. The names in list should also mention their main accomplishment.
ex: instead of "Roberto Cofresi - pirate"; "Roberto Cofresi - a pirate who became part of Puerto Rico's legend and lore."
Third, we create a committee of volunteers, of which I hope you will be a member. The object of the commitee is to monitor the list by making sure that the names added meet the criteria. The committe members should add the new list in their "watchlist". Any disagreements between the members should be discussed in the new list's talk page where a call for consensus may be carried out if needed.
Tony the Marine 02:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
In this list are highly notable people who were either born in Puerto Rico, are descendents of Puerto Ricans or have chosen Puerto Rico as their homeland. Their contributions to the social and cultural structures of society in some cases are not limited only to Puerto Rico. Those listed have never denied being Puerto Rican and have met one or more of the requirements set by the following criteria.
ex: Angelita Lind - Considered the "Grestest" track star in Puerto Rico.
ex: First Puerto Rican Congressman or First Puerto Rican woman to die in a war.
ex: The Father of Black History or The Mother of Women's sports in Puerto Rico.
ex: A government tribute, mention in a book of records, naming of a public structure, beatification, member of a Hall of Fame.
ex: The Medal of Honor, Presidential Medal of Freedom, Oscars, Grammy's, Tony's, Emmy's, Olympic or other sports medals of importance, Nobel Prize or a high recognition from another country.
ex: Eugenio Maria de Hostos - international impact; Mariana Brachetti - national impact.
ex: Angel Ramos founded "Telemundo"; Ramon Lopez Irizarry, invented Coco Lopez and gave the world the "Piña Colada".
ex: Roberto Cofresi - pirate; Felipe Birriel- "EL Gigante de Carolina"
ex: Jennifer Lopez
ex: Paquito Cordero - television pioneer, Joseph A. Unanue - Goya Foods
Now, remember this is only a draft. I would create a page for the "criteria" and the intro would link to it. If we agree then we can vote on the proposal.
Tony the Marine 02:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I think the classification list is too long and some personalities can be in 2 or 3 of them at once. Also i think we should take off any negative personality from the list who is not a political or historical person. -- vertical 04:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Be sure to support Puerto Rico's Featured article candidacy!!! Hezzy 18:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)