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I have started a discussion about this WikiProject at WP:MOTOR. Please contribute to the discussion. DH85868993 ( talk) 00:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
As per the decission reached here, I'm merging the two wikiprojects, the content of WikiProject Grand Prix motorcycle racing has been archived and the page redirected, but I need an admin to merge the talk pages. Chris Ssk talk 01:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I may be showing my old fogey status, but it appears to me that the "nickname" line in the MotoGP rider infobox template seems out of place. Wikipedia articles are supposed to mirror actual encyclopedia articles, and the nickname line strikes me as something you would see in a fan magazine. If a nickname is a major part of a racer's public personna, such as Muhammad Ali's "The Greatest", then it should be listed in the main body of the article. Again, maybe I'm being a grumpy old man. Orsoni ( talk) 07:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
While on the subject of Infoboxes, I've noticed the Superbike rider's infobox contains no information on what years a competitor was active. Do we need a "Former Superbike rider" infobox, or just alter the current one? Orsoni ( talk) 07:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not convinced about having the 1949 World Champions in their own column in the Motorcycle World Champion templates (e.g. {{ 125 cc Motorcycle World Champions}}. I understand why they're arranged like that (i.e. so that each column is a decade), but I think it would look better to just have each column start with the "9" year, similar to the way in which each column in {{ Formula One World Constructors' Champions}} starts with the "8" year. Thoughts? DH85868993 ( talk) 10:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Someone has started an article on Martin Finnegan, the Irish rider who was killed last week. I've tidied it up a bit, but it could use the attention of someone who knows something about motorbikes!-- Diniz (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey, i've started making this page and i have a lot of knowledge on the subject but a lack of skill on Wikipedia.
Any help making it a better page would be great. There are no good pags for Endurance team pages on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shredder46 ( talk • contribs) 06:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Keke Ruehle has created today a page about the 2010 Road Racing World Championship, but no useful information is present on the article, and the speculated race schedule is just a copy of this year's schedule. I propose to delete (or maybe even better speedy delete) it, what do you think about this? Asendoh ( talk) 18:41, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello all. A discussion has started on whether or not to merge the Repsol Honda article into the Honda Racing Corporation article. Please see discussion and leave feedback if you can because we are looking for some. Thanks! Roguegeek ( talk) 22:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I have written an article called Formula TT. I took most of it from the German article de:TT Formula, and most of the rest from a French site that has the statistics for the races and is listed as a reference in the German article. Perhaps someone with more expertise than I would like to look through it and fix any mistakes I have made, put the project template on the talk page and link it into any other articles that it has some relevance. -- Philip Baird Shearer ( talk) 08:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the new Motogp site has added a section about past results: since the vast majority of all articles (in fact all but some 2008 article) are unreferenced, please add references to them which point to the site.
About categorisation: it's a bit confusing for all race report articles, so I propose to use at least to add [[Category:MotoGP race reports]] and [[Category:xxxx in Grand Prix morotcycle racing|Country Grand Prix]] to all of them. Asendoh ( talk) 18:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I helped get the article restored in an AFD review. Would you help wikify and expand the article? Royal broil 13:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Can we get a concensus on motorcyclists naming convention? There are currently articles using many different naming styles including; motorcycle racer, motorcyclist, motocross, motocross rider, speedway rider.
I'd like to nominate "motorcyclist" since the average Wikipedia reader would have no idea what the difference is between the different branches of motorcycle competition. "Motorcyclist" would also cover non-competitors such as stunt riders, team owners, world travellers etc. Orsoni ( talk) 04:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
The newly created article Lorenzo Zanetti is being considered for deletion. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 05:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Per this discussion at Wikiproject Motorsport I recently created the page List of motorsport terminology. Designed primarily to combat jargon, feel free to drop by and add common motorsport terms (this is going to be a big list). Aptery gial 05:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not a member of this project but I should inform you that I've proposed a merger of the Bugatti Circuit article and the Circuit de la Sarthe article. This may be discussed here. Mustang6172 ( talk) 04:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to propose that we use the Racing record career summary table that is currently used for car racing drivers (particularly F1 drivers) on the articles for motorcycle racers. This would be particularly useful for riders who have raced in multiple different series (MotoGP, Superbikes, AMA etc) as it is a way we can include all of their racing statistics in a single table. The only problem is that we may find it difficult to find all of these statistics online. I know that there is a site that has a database for virtually every car racer's statistics, but I'm not sure whether there is anywhere that has the stats for motorcycle racers. Do you think this is worth pursuing? Christophee ( talk) 13:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I've just added a new Racing record section to the Michel Fabrizio article. The reason it has a sub-heading is that I'm going to add a MotoGP results table very shortly. What do you think? Christophee ( talk) 01:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Christophee, the original reason why alot of the infobox templates were deleted and replaced as so that there was a dropdown section that had career stats in it. Now the drop down on these tables dont work for some reason and thus you have rightly put in a box below with career stats. All i would say is if we can get this dropdown table to finally work then the stats should be moved into that because of the more compact nature of the article. Xrateddan ( talk) 09:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I notice that when populating Template:Infobox TT rider, the convention seems to be to set the "TTs contested" parameter to the number of TT meetings a rider has contested. I'm wondering whether it might make more sense to set it to the number of individual TT races the rider has contested. Because otherwise you get situations such as Mike Hailwood and Giacomo Agostini where "TT wins" is more than "TTs contested", which I think the casual observer might find a bit confusing. Thoughts? DH85868993 ( talk) 12:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
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The current template for Superbike racers: Template:Infobox Superbike rider, makes no mention of his active years as is done in the Formula One drivers template. I think this information would be useful for former Superbike riders ( Davide Tardozzi, Fred Merkel, etc). Can we get a concensus on adding this information to the template? Orsoni ( talk) 07:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The Grand Prix motorcycle racing pages lists the current MotoGP world championship scheme. There has been a number of point schemes since 1949 which includes (1949), (1950-1968), (1969-87) and a further scheme from (1988- ?). Perhaps if a contributor has some further information it could be included on the Grand Prix motorcycle racing page ?? Is there a reason why in the Chronology section there is no information for the period 1950-1972? Agljones ( talk) 15:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
1949 point system.
Position | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Fastest lap |
Points | 10 | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 1 |
Points system from 1950 to 1968.
Position | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |
Points | 8 | 6 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
Points system from 1969 to 1987:
Position | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 |
Points | 15 | 12 | 10 | 8 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
Points system from 1988 to 1992:
Position | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 |
Points | 20 | 17 | 15 | 13 | 11 | 10 | 9 | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
Points system from 1993 onwards:
Position | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 |
Points | 25 | 20 | 16 | 13 | 11 | 10 | 9 | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
Orsoni ( talk) 06:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I have now created a page List of FIM World Championship points scoring systems based on the equivalent Formula 1 page. The extra point for fastest lap was awarded until 1976(?) Agljones ( talk) 22:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
500cc ONLY
1949: Best 3 results counted towards the final points tally
1950: Best 4 results counted towards the final points tally
1951-1955: Best 5 results counted towards the final points tally
1956-1960: Best 4 results counted towards the final points tally.
1961: Best 6 results counted towards the final points tally.
1962-1964: Best 5 results counted towards the final points tally.
1965: Best 6 results counted towards the final points tally.
1966: Best 5 results counted towards the final points tally.
1967-1968: Best 6 results counted towards the final points tally.
1969: Best 7 results counted towards the final points tally.
1970-1971: Best 6 results counted towards the final points tally.
1972: Best 7 results counted towards the final points tally.
1973-1975: Best 6 results counted towards the final points tally.
1976: Best 3 results from the first 5 rounds counted, plus best 3 results from final 7 races
1977-1990: All races counted
1991- Best 13 results counted
1992-1998: All races counted
I have no information after 1998, but I think all races have counted since 1992.
If you need the other classes, I can type those out. Orsoni ( talk) 12:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a trend going on: more and more users are putting infos of pole position and fastest lap on the pages, highlighting results with bold and italics respectively (take
this as example); those info are also appearing on the Season calendar section for SBK articles (see
this) and Grands Prix section for MotoGP articles. I want to reach a consensus on this matter because things are getting out of control.
In my opinon they are not needed at all, they add size to the page without vehicolating a sufficient information: pole positions and fastest lap do not yield any championship points; it's something pertinent to a single race, and thus it should be in the race report articles only. I want to think what other users think though, so we can use a standard set of rules for the time being.
PS: motorcycle racing is NOT F1. So "we need it because F1 has it" is NOT a valid discussion argument in my opinion.
Asendoh (
talk) 18:14, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Just a simple question, which is the correct notation for the categories, 500cc or 500 cc? List of Grand Prix motorcycle racing World champions uses 500 cc, 250 cc, etc with a space in between, while the List of 500cc/MotoGP Motorcycle World Champions and List of 250cc Motorcycle World Champions which are Featured lists use 500cc, 250cc, etc. — Martin tamb ( talk) 08:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Also the notations used in MotoGP official website and FIM official website are always 500cc, 250cc, 125cc, etc without a space in between. — Martin tamb ( talk) 09:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be some discrepency over which order the career statistics tables should be in on motorcycle rider articles. Most MotoGP (and lower class) riders have the oldest results first and the most recent ones at the bottom of the table, but riders from other series have it the other way around. I think there should be a standard rule for how this is done otherwise we will get disagreements like on the James Toseland page. But which order should we go with? Christophee ( talk) 01:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
But it also makes sense in reverse order because you always want to know at the top of the results page whats happening at the current moment, having the newest results first means that your not having to look though all the past results in order to see how he has done this season (which is probably what most people would want to do...) but i guess if everything else is layed ou like that then there will be no debate... Xrateddan ( talk) 09:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Template:Infobox AMA Superbike rider has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. RL0919 ( talk) 16:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Since the new info boxes replaced the old ones a couple of months ago there has been no improvment on the drop down box, i would like to suggest that first it should work... (which its doesnt on most pages) and secondly that you should be able to put BSB and BSS (British superbike and British supersport) info into the drop down menus. As i have no idea where to start would it be possible to put this info into a dropdown? If so can someone tell me how that process is done and or do the process themselves and i will impliment it across the articles in the BSB and BSS championship. Xrateddan ( talk) 09:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Some of you may have seen the announcement in October than Hardly-Ableson had canned the Buell motorcycle brand. The good news is that Erik Buell, with Harley-Davidson's blessing, has now launched a new independent enterprise Erik Buell Racing which will build race-only versions of the 1125R and provide parts and support to privateers. I would appreciate it if members of this project could add to / improve the stub article that I have created (and added to the scope of this project). -- Biker Biker ( talk) 13:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, i have problem with editing userboxes for rider which the birthplace and date of birth does not appear in userboxes, also how can i delete the career statistics from the rider userboxes?
The page is Doni Tata Pradita.
Thanks. MbahGondrong ( talk) 02:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
To enable DOB you need to enter it in this form below the nationality | Dateofbirth = Yes | Birthdate =
29 October 1985And you cant delete the career stats section because its part of a template, if you have any career stats for the rider above then please put them in :) Xrateddan ( talk) 09:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Where can i see the template description? I have no idea what should I put in career stats.
Thanks for reply. MbahGondrong ( talk) 14:32, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi again, Rider Template is there if you look in the usage column you will see all the uses of the table, you don't have to include them all, just the classes that he has competed in for example "World Supersport" would be listed as SS so copy all of the values with SS and then the drop down should display his stats for SS Thanks, hope that helps Xrateddan ( talk) 15:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Very helpful, thanks again. MbahGondrong ( talk) 21:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Is there a consensus for a rewrite of the Isle of Man TT article in perhaps the style of something like the Tour de France article or other sporting events???? The resulting article may be much longer than the current article! Agljones ( talk) 22:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Having quickly dashed through the collection of articles under 2009 in motorsport template, I have found the following articles do not mention who won the race/championship/title featured in the topic in the opening paragraph, or in the executive summary at the start of each of the articles.
The winner of these series or events is the most important detail of each as sporting events and they should all have this article included up top as a matter of logical writing for encylopedic content.
The list is:
-- Falcadore ( talk) 03:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. — Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I just created a stub for Elena Myers. It has a bare list of article links and I'm in the process of expanding it now. I need help correctly presenting and citing the career stats. I'll be submitting it to Did you know? in a couple days or less. All contributions or advice are appreciated. -- Dbratland ( talk) 23:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
A vandal added these tables. They were removed and then restored by another user with no sources. Could somebody please spot-check or add a source. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
Thanks. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
The related Category:Supersport motorcycles has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming . You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. |
-- Dbratland ( talk) 05:16, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I wondered if these two articles should fall into line with the moto GP article, in the way that all of the moto gp "support" races are covered in the one article. Would this help with both British superbikes and world superbike "support" classes, the big advantage i see to this would be that much more information could be put on one page, the downside looking at the moto GP article it can become rather long! In the article 2010 motorcycle grand prix season all the support classes (125 and moto 2), where as on the world superbike pages there are seperate articles for each class. Just thought i would see what everyone else thought! Cheers Xrateddan ( talk) 21:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Just to add i would like to see both the british superbike and world superbike articles include support classes like the moto gp article Xrateddan ( talk) 21:48, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport#Motorcycle_Grand_Prix_seasons. DH85868993 ( talk) 16:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
FYI, an editor has proposed a number of "rider by competition" categories for deletion - see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_August_9#Category:World_Supersport_riders. DH85868993 ( talk) 03:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I have proposed that Category:British Superbike riders be renamed to Category:British Superbike Championship riders to clarify that this category is for riders who gave ridden in the British Superbike Championship, not Superbike riders who are British. Please add any thoughts you may have on the matter to the rename discussion. DH85868993 ( talk) 15:16, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
There is a glaring omission in the new edits to the 1998 Grand Prix motorcycle racing season and 2000 Grand Prix motorcycle racing season. There is no links to the race bikes used such as Honda NSR500 and Yamaha YZR500. I will add them if no one else does. Orsoni ( talk) 12:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Just wondering, is there any reason to use {{ Infobox MotoGP rider}} rather than just using {{ Infobox motorcycle rider}} ? Infobox motorcycle rider has more options, so seems as though it's more useful. -- WOSlinker ( talk) 21:16, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
The article Super Single is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Super Single until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Dbratland ( talk) 03:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
At the moment, Wikipedia treats 500cc and MotoGP as being practically the same thing. 250cc and Moto2 get the same treatment. 500cc and MotoGP are not equivalent, neither are 250cc and Moto2. They should be separated. Readro ( talk) 17:27, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
It would appear that GPUpdate.net have reorganised their website, which means that many (most?) of the links from English Wikipedia to the website are now broken. There doesn't seem to be any recognisable pattern to the changes (for example http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2000/12/04/bar-signs-anthony-davidson-as-test-driver/ has become http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/22018/bar-signs-anthony-davidson-as-test-driver/), so I think the only way to fix all the links is to go through them one by one. I've created a list of the 147 articles I found containing links to GPUpdate.net (by doing a wiki search for "gpupdate.net"), in case anyone wants to help out. DH85868993 ( talk) 08:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
What is the preferred term for a person who races motorcycles: driver, rider, racer ... ? His article should be renamed to reflect his truck off-road racing career, as he was a recent champion in LOORRS. I didn't know that he was so notable for his motorcycle career (no wonder I thought his name sounded familiar!). I probably have photos of his truck racing at the off-road world championships in one of the past few years. Royal broil 00:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello,
I'm coming to you as a disambiguator, and am hoping that some of you from this Wikiproject can help me with your expertise.
I was working on cleaning up the disambiguation page Frédéric Petit. You can see that one of the entries on this page is for the motorcycle racer Frédéric Petit. When there isn't an article about someone who ought to be included on a disambiguation page, we aim to link to a related article that best provides information about the person/thing. There is not a clear article to link to for this guy, since all of the links about him are the results of various races that he was in (take a look at Special:WhatLinksHere/Frédéric_Petit to see what I mean). With a clear presence in articles, I though it might make sense for him to have an article of his own, but a) I'm not familiar enough with the notability guidelines in this field to know if that is legitimate, and b) if he were notable enough to have an article of his own (located, in theory, at Frédéric Petit (motorcyclist) or something similar), I wouldn't know the best format for displaying the information about him and all of his racing results. My only thought was that per Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Motorsports, a racer would be notable if she/he had been in a "fully professional series"... but I don't have the knowledge to know if the races in which he has been fit this bill
So, I was hoping that I could get your insights into:
Thanks so much for your help, -- Natalya 22:10, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I've been trying to start creating pages for each individual GP from '70s up for a while now. Before spending more time on it, I wanted ask an opinion of others if this race result box I've created would be acceptable look. Example is on my sandbox. User:Marty Rockatansky/Sandbox2. Any feedback is much appreciated.cheers. Marty Rockatansky ( talk) 08:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
So, should it be Bradley Smith (motorcyclist) or Danny Webb (motorcycle racer)? Personally, I think it should be (motorcycle racer), as the important part is that they race the bikes, not that they happen to ride them. Whichever it should be, we should aim for consistency. Ged UK 06:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Motorcycling is fine by me although, it will require a bit of article renaming. Orsoni ( talk) 06:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Discussion included at WikiProject Motorcycling
Motorcycling is fine with me for people primarily associated with any aspect of motorcycling be it writing, racing, riding, designing, building, repairing, tuning, painting, photographing etc. It's nice and simple like me. -- Biker Biker ( talk) 14:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
It looks like we're talking about 200 to 300 articles with a disambiguation in the title, but probably 9/10 are known for racing only. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 06:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I notice that it was recently decided that Template:Infobox former Grand Prix motorcycle rider should be merged with Template:Infobox motorcycle rider. Is anyone prosecuting this merger? DH85868993 ( talk) 12:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Personally I loathe flag icons in Wikipedia articles, but I recognise that both car and motorcycle racing articles make extensive use of them, and I can actually see the value that they add in large tables of results. I would therefore like to bring to your attention these edits, in which all the flags were removed from British Superbike Championship Support Series. Perhaps somebody from this project would like to address those edits? More importantly, it would be useful if the members of this project were to reach consensus on the use of flags in motorcycle racing articles. Do you use them, or not? If yes, then they should be formally documented in your project guidance so that people who decide unilaterally to remove flags can be pointed to the wikiproject's policy on the use of flags. -- Biker Biker ( talk) 07:00, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Given that I loathe the bloody things I'm happy to side with removal. How many people to we need to set consensus for the project? I guess we need to leave it a few days to give others a chance to contribute? Assuming the result is "remove" then a bot can be employed as was done recently to remove all flags from instances of {{ Infobox company}}. -- Biker Biker ( talk) 21:21, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
I understand where this is all coming from, but all motorsports use flags as a way of communicating which country they are from. For example all the offical Moto GP and World Superbike classes carry such flags. I think that having the flag of where someone is from is causing no harm, it makes them pages look less like generic information and give it some life. I feel its a piece of information that does "need" to be there but it's nice to know where the person is from, give it a bit of personality. I can understand why no flags in the rider infoboxes because it already says within that box where they are from, so no need for duplicate information.
I just don't see what's wrong with having flags... Is it offending people? Ah well Xrateddan ( talk) 21:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Other problems with flags you'll see in the MOS is that they are distracting, and that they carry political and nationalistic implications. In virtually all motorcycle sport, there is zero political or nationalistic representation, and it is deceptive and confusing to imply otherwise. Flags are powerful symbols and Wikipedia's consensus is to not use them lightly. And the guidelines in the MOS represent the consensus of thousands of Wikipedians, not just the handful editing motorcycling articles. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 22:04, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
But that does not mean every other motorcycle racing article should have flags too, unless they also are accompanied by unambiguous citations. MOS:FLAG sets a high bar -- "If the use of flags in a list, table or infobox makes it unclear, ambiguous or controversial, it is better to remove the flags even if that makes the list, table or infobox inconsistent with others of the same type where no problems have arisen." -- and Wikipedia:Verifiability demands that actual citations be presented. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 23:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Interpretation of the MOS is a subjective thing; it says "representative nationality" and you've challenged the MotoGP riders' inclusion under that criterion, and sources are available which satisfy it. What the MOS may clearly intend is neither here nor there, it's what it says that matters, and until it says something else, that's what we work with. What other articles are you talking about? With regard to your MOSFLAG quote, for flags to be removed under that reasoning, they do have to make the list, table or infobox controversial in itself - that does not mean controversy over the mere presence of the flags. They have to cause ambiguity or controversy in the meaning of the list, table or infobox, which I suspect they do not. I assume you're not going to ask for citations to accompany every flag. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 23:43, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
After a team hires a rider, then they go and plaster flags here and there, purely for marketing. The arbitrary and silly use of Texas flags for Colin Edwards is a prime example of how flags are being used for no purpose other than to excite fans. Some marketing guy thought "Texas Tornado" sounded like it would sell and they ran with it. The special meaning attached to having Rossi ride for an Italian brand is another example of pure marketing -- nationality is ignored or emphasized depending entirely on what message they want to deliver to the fans and the motorcycle buying public.
If you look at how the MOS is applied Wikipedia-wide, you've got to admit that once a large number of editors who don't happen to be part of the motorcycle racing project take notice of this, the flags are going to go. There is too strong a consensus Wikipedia-wide against just this sort of gratuitous emphasis on nationality. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 15:36, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
It's my understanding that Grand Prix competitors need to be licensed by their home country's governing body and only then are allowed to compete by the FIM. Honda isn't allowed to hire anyone they want unless they are sanctioned by their home nation's governing body. For instance, in the FIM's eyes, Colin Edwards is an AMA representative in MotoGP competition, and thus is considered an American representative. I'll see if there is any mention in the FIM website. . Orsoni ( talk) 19:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)