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There is not a separate page and probably should be. Among sports (see
List of sports films#Golf) golf seems one of the major sports without its own article. Anybody feel a personal call to create such a page, or fill it in once created? It could include fictional, documentary, and instructional entries.
Randy Kryn (
talk) 12:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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Schierbecker (
talk) 04:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I've just overhauled this article with info from the FFG. The problem I have is this...
In 1994,
Greg Chalmers apparently won the French Open Amateur Stroke Play (an event reduced to 54 holes held at Golf National), but the FFG have the winner this year as Jesper Kjærbye. French WP (
fr:Coupe Murat) has scores back to 1982 but no source.
Does anyone know if the Coupe Murat (held at Chantilly) and the French Open Amateur Stroke Play were separate tournaments for a period of time (or in some years), or is the event Chalmers won something else altogether (it seems to have has a national team component
[2])? wjematherplease leave a message... 17:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi,
By the way, Francis Oumet, winner in 1914, was American, wasn't he? His father was a French-Canadian immigrant, but FO was born in Massachusetts. Regards
EEJB (
talk) 17:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I,ve been trying to sharpen up the
David Graham article. Still not very good. Strange that a HoFer had such a silly article with extreme details on his early career and just briefly description of his major wins and the wrong birthplace.
Well, one thing is still confusing: On the external sites World Golf Hall of Fame, PGA Tour, Texas Golf Hall of Fame, Sport Australia Hall of Fame, For the good of the Game and Golfweek 20150711 Graham gets credit for having won golf tournaments on six continents including South Africa and that should be the 1977 SA PGA Ch'ship. Graham says himself that he is proud of that and it's mentioned in the book "David Graham: From Ridicule to Acclaim" by Russell James, chapter 7.
I can't anywhere find a source confirming any South African win for Graham and he certainly not won the 1977 SA PGA, which John Bland did. Anyone knows something on this? Regards,
EEJB (
talk) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
For South America wins he has 1971
Caracas Open in (Ven), 1980 Heublein Open (Brazil) and 1970 World Cup in Argentina.
Tewapack (
talk) 17:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
If I'm counting down the leaderboard correctly, Graham finished in a tie for 20th place in the 1977 Lexington PGA Championship. Wouldn't be the first time HoFs have taken their info direct from the Player (pun intended) without verification and ended up being inaccurate. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The 1978 PGA Tour Media Guide
[3] doesn't mention it, although the 1977
Australian Open is mentioned. However it does get in the 1979 edition
[4]. So could be in 1978, I suppose. Maybe a pro-am or something similar?
Nigej (
talk) 18:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately the PGAT have often accepted what the players report, without verification, so their media guides can be also unreliable. Yes, if I were to guess, I'd say it's probably a pro-am played in connection with the South African PGA in 1977. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
According to the book by Russell James the South Africa title was won "a month or two" before the 1977 Australian Open. That is the 1977-78 season. Probably a pro-am ahead of the S Afr PGA, in which Graham obviously took part. So let's leave it there until evidence is shown. Thank you!
EEJB (
talk) 20:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Yearly individual Players Championship articles
I see we have an article for the
2024 Players Championship, which begins tomorrow and has no detail in it. I was thinking though, do we still think that these individual tournament articles for the Players Champ are warranted? I get the sense that interest for this tournament is waning as time goes on (alongside with most of pro golf at this time in general). The tour have also lost a lot of backbone regarding their "5th major" claims given the strength of field. Obviously we don’t know exactly what the future holds, but personally I would be happy to do away with the individual articles (as we have done with the
BMW PGA Championship). Interested to hear everybody’s thoughts.
Jimmymci234 (
talk) 13:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Since there are pages on all of The Players tournaments it is probably consistent to continue with the yearly articles. As an "almost major" the Players usually has had notable coverage in media so it seems the only way to demote it on Wikipedia would be if the sources disappear and the tournament's notability is downgraded by the PGA and public sentiment.
Randy Kryn (
talk) 13:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I was intending to add the field but couldn't find a complete list of the entry requirements. It still has a special status in the OWGR system, with a guaranteed 80 points, otherwise it doesn't seem so special at the moment. Can't help feeling that the PGA Tour has shot itself in the foot by excluding the LIV golfers.
Nigej (
talk) 14:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Not convinced its accurate. This [
[6]] has a "Top 70 on Prior Year's FedExCup Points List through the Playoffs" category which seems to be new.
Nigej (
talk) 17:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It's really a distinction without a difference, since all of the top 70 through the Playoffs will be well inside the top 125 after the fall. The
handbook (pages 28–29) only lists the top 125 category.
Inside the Field lists the top 70 category, and has the categories in quite a different order from the handbook, which is another unimportant distinction.
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fiɲimi 19:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
It's ok with yearly articles on The Players, but in my opinion historic senior majors, women's majors, senior women's majors and men's and women's amateur majors have higher priority. Regards,
EEJB (
talk) 17:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you
EEJB (
talk) 16:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Notability
I am struggling a little bit with
this draft for LPGA player Gurleen Kaur. She made the cut at the U.S. Open (although she finished 66th) which would qualify under
WP:NGOLF, but I cannot find sources that I feel would constitute significant coverage. There are some references from her college and some local television coverage, but mainly just mentions and nothing in-depth. What would be the project's take on notability with this one as I don't want to move to mainspace if it is likely to get deleted?
CNMall41 (
talk) 19:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)reply
It there isn't sufficient coverage to meet
WP:GNG, then we shouldn't have an article. As a minimum, per
WP:SPORTCRIT, anything in draft needs to have one GNG qualifying source before being moved to mainspace. Also, anything relating to non-elite level sport (including school/college) would need to be particularly outstanding to justify an article on that basis alone. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Got it. What I am saying is she does qualify under
WP:NGOLF (presumably notable) based on her making the cut in the U.S. Open. I am wondering if the references used would be considered significant coverage from those who regularly work in the project. Don't want to waste anyone's time with a deletion discussion, cleanup, etc. Hope that clarifies. --
CNMall41 (
talk) 00:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
There is no longer a presumption of notability under NSPORT guidelines, only an indication the significant coverage is likely to exist. Also, NGOLF needs tightening as it's become clear that significant coverage does not actually exist for many players who make the cut in majors or play a small number of full season(s) on tour without making an impression. Personally, I'd say the references in the article are not enough – the two most detailed are not independent of the subject – so more is needed. wjematherplease leave a message... 11:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply