I have some critiques of the two proposed remedies so far. First, I think "region of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Iran and the ethnic and historical issues related to that area" should be replaced with "the Caucasus region and the ethnic, religious, and historical issues related to that area." Caucasus is a broader way of putting it, and if phrased like that the remedy will also apply to Chechnya and Abkhazia-related articles, where there has been conflict.
Second, when you say "reasonable degree of civility," who is this to be determined by? Presumably uninvolved administrators, in which case I think that should be noted. Third and finally, why are everybody who was sanctioned in the previous case being sanctioned here? Elsanaturk ( talk · contribs), for example, doesn't seem to have done anything wrong recently. Also note that there are parties to this case who mainly edit Iran-related articles, and who were not in the old case. I think this remedy should be adapted to apply to the people involved in this case. Picaroon (Talk) 20:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Let Mackensen come here and explain why to this: Then we should prepare a collage picture of Adolf Hitler with Swastika and images of Holocaust and post it on all Iran related pages and I am working on Pan-Aryan collage meanwhile. Thanks by Atabek he answers: The full text of the first remark suggests sarcasm and frustration. Was such a collage actually created? [1]. But obviously that is not what he thought when he voted in support of a finding of fact which accused Fadix of attempting to turn Wikipedia into a battleground. Worst is that unlike Fadix, Atabek does have a history of wiki-retaliation as documented in the evidence. But arbitrators have preferred ignoring those before deciding to propose to close the case.
Wiki-retaliation and attempt to turn Wikipedia into a battleground? What about when Atabek decided to remove the word Genocide [2] as retaliation during his conflict with other editors on the uses of the word Azerbaijan. It was submitted to the notice board. [3] And for once there was some reaction from the administrators. He just recently has retaliated and again after a conflict on the insertion of the term Azerbaijan by removing Iran (e.g. [4]). The arbitrations should provide me one instance where Atabek has sincerely contributed peacefully by policy or debated without failing to assume good faith or won the respect of Armenian or Iranian editors in a heated subject. Never, but of course disruption will follow, not even a finding of fact on individual disruption that the case is put for closure, when the user who did most of the compromises on the Khojali massacre (close to the most heated article related to Armenia-Azerbaijan) was banned in the first occasion when Grandmaster was so eager to tell him: ...you appear to be the only reasonable person among those who represent Armenian point of view in this talk page, I appreciate that you try to explain the points you think are POV here. [5]
Being straight, Atabek failed to assume good faith, wiki-retaliated, attempted to turn Wikipedia into a battle ground, has been uncivil, personally attacked, POV pushed (massively removing the word genocide, or pushing the term Azerbaijan on various articles is POV pushing), has used deceitful tactics like misquoting sources changing their meaning (like in the article on the Sahl) and there are much too many evidences, but the evidence page is long enough and already not considered by arbitrators to have to add more. All this the arbitrators completely ignored, for a user who has not done much other than creating problems, but have banned another, for much, much, much lesser than this. What was the real reason to oppose to this? For the purpose of dispute resolution similar remedies may be applied to users who engage in similar behavior. Can Simon come here and take the care to explain us what the can cover a lot of ground means?
What changed with Atabek's behavior? Revert warring? What's even the need; a sock will come to revert for him, as for the rest, not the slightest changing of behavior from a member who has been so close of being banned during the last arbitration and his disruption only increased. I can't think of any other reason than bias from the arbitration committee. Not even changing AdilBaguirov’s block, which will in spite of having used countless socks to revert war will have his block expired before Fadix, who has used the sock to discuss instead but an administrator hasn't lost the occasion to reset his ban when not one has thought of doing the same for Adil. If this is not blatant bias, then I wonder what it is.
Also, the remedy looks funny, it says that we might be banned from an article if we disrupt, but after the presentation of so many evidences, particularly on Atabek's disruption, nothing happened. But who is the administrator who will be willing to consider or even read evidences on disruption when Arbitrators themselves haven't.-- TigranTheGreat 01:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe all current ArbCom participants should be equally paroled from reverting more than once. Otherwise, take a look what is currently ArbCom involved participant User:MarshallBagramyan doing: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. I don't see how the proposed decision would address the indicated behavior of actually trying to remove the link to massacres in Nagorno-Karabakh from Nagorno-Karabakh articles. Atabek 00:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)