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This statement has been used to justify striking out ip comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noemi Letizia. My guess is that it is meant to mean actual elections, such as RFA and ArbCom elections, as opposed to discussions, such as AFD and talk pages. If it could be clarified to avoid similar confusion in the future, that would be super. Beeblebrox ( talk) 01:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I know this gets discussed periodically, but I can't remember where we're supposed to discuss it. Anyway, the meat of my point is that currently we have cases on ADHD, Matisse and the Tang Dynasty. One of those concerns a user and the other two relate to topics. Which one is the user? For a split second I was trying to work out which side I take on the question of Matisse's disputed position as an Impressionist. Hiding T 13:58, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases is almost 200KB. Does anyone have an objection to breaking it into per-year subpages? John Vandenberg ( chat) 09:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I do not see a procedure for a non-party to comment on an open arbitration. Is there one? Is it permissible for a non-party to appear as amicus curiae or amicus Wikipediae? I have a concern about one particular arbitration where, in my opinion, some of the proposed remedies will have an unintended adverse impact on the quality of Wikipedia. Finell (Talk) 21:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I submit for your consideration: Wikipedia:Arbitrating on content. — harej ( talk) 04:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I have made some suggestions here for improving the transparency of the process. Briefly, I propose:
Thanks for any time you can spare to review these suggestions. -- John ( talk) 21:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Does the arbitration committee consider this to be an accurate precis of a recent arbitration decision? I don't: it gives the impression that there is still something to do within 15 days and that the mentor changes clause refers to these 15 days, which is nonsense. I say this without wishing to imply any criticism of the clerk, who closed the case with due care and attention.
I have seen similar issues arising in other cases with clerk posts on user talk. What is the purpose of the clerk precis? The parties are surely going to read the full decision, and the precis carries no formal meaning. Further, the clerk cannot be expected to be familiar with the intricacies and subtleties of a case, so that even if a precis is desirable, the clerks are not the right people to provide it, especially not within a tight 24 hour framework. Geometry guy 06:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Given that Arbcom found that the blocks of myself and User:MalikCarr by AMIB were improper, could they be expunged from our records? Jtrainor ( talk) 23:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
The committee may be interested to know that I have just re-nominated myself for adminship in accordance with your desysopping of me last year. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tango 2. -- Tango ( talk) 02:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
A new Request for Comment has been opened at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Arbitration_Committee_2. This RFC focuses on the composition and selection of the committee; specifically, how many members should be on the Arbitration Committee, how long should their terms be, and how should they be selected? The issue of a Public vs Secret ballot is also under discussion, as is the issue of Support/Oppose voting vs Preferential or Cumulative Selection. Your comments are welcome. Thank you. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 20:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Nominations are now open for candidates to run in the Arbitration Committee elections of December 2009 ( WP:ACE2009). In order to be eligible to run, editors must have 1,000 mainspace edits, be at least 18 years of age, and be of legal age in their place of residence; note also that successful candidates must identify to the Wikimedia Foundation before taking their seats. Nominations will be accepted from today, November 10, through November 24, with voting scheduled to begin on December 1. To submit your candidacy, proceed to the candidate statements page. The conditions of the election are currently under discussion; all editors are encouraged to participate. For the coordination cabal, Skomorokh, barbarian 01:50, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
This page might get a new policy category; the discussion is at WP:VPP#Wikipedia administrative policy. - Dank ( push to talk) 23:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I hope this is the right place to post this - I am trying to find my way around "project space" at the moment. I've been interested in reading about the way that disputes are handled on the wiki, and am interested that the Arbitration Committee sometimes refers an issue back to "the community" rather than deciding on it. Specifically I happened to be looking at this one: [1]. (See the first two remedies.) There doesn't seem to be any sort of link back to where these issues were then discussed by the community (if in fact they were at all).
I think that if the committee refers a decision back to the community, they should make a new page for discussing it on (or a new section of an existing page), and then link to it from the decision, so that if you are reading the case decision you can actually follow through to the resulting community discussion without having to have in depth inside knowledge of where these things are to be found. At least I assume that "community" in this sense is broad enough to include less active users who don't necessarily know their way around all the project pages but may still have an interest in the issue?
Thanks. Weedier Mickey ( talk) 14:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
RE: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Cases and the cases listed there.
Starting with Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Seeyou, Decided 26 June 2009, all cases are in the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/ format.
Has there been any discussion about moving older cases, for example, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Obama articles to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Obama articles to make all the arbitration pages uniform? Ikip ( talk) 17:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
I've been following a few arb cases and thought that it would be useful to see recent changes to the case pages. It can be done quite easily using {{ RFARcasenav}}, by creating a page with the content {{RFARcasenav|case name=<case name>}} for each case, for example in the form Wikipedia:Arbitration/Changes/<case name>, and link related changes to that page in {{ RFARcasenav}}. An example display is here. Cenarium ( talk) 00:06, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Question for: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Index/Principles (that pages talk page redirects here)
I wanted to add a Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Index/Principles section about off-wiki communications.
Here are all arbcom statements about off-wiki communication.
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Ikip 18:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
[Posting here because this is bigger than just that one case, and meta the issues raised there.]
@ArbCom:
I just can't get my head around this BLP summary motion. I am so angry, so embittered by it. My only hope is that you guys don't fully comprehend the profound implications of what you've tried to do; and might still be made to 'get it'.
There are two huge issues here.
Please tell me that you realise you've monumentally fucked up and will try to fix it.
Hesperian 13:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
I bet this will just peter out into a gimmick. A lot of times when ancient FAs with no cites are around the place, people will just add a random web ref at the end of a para and hope that nobody checks and only sees that the ref doesn't match up at all, or only covers the last sentence. A lot of people at FAR/FAC don't check at all and just AGF, let alone these spot-checks. ArbCom is about politics so they have to put on a brave face like the leader of a sports team or a political party, unless they are in the unconventional minority, they aren't going to say that there are major problems with nonsense content etc or that there needs to be a leadership change, so they will do this fluff, sabre-rattling etc, but it will just go unenforced and so forth. Heaps of people including admins fake sources etc or bend them out of shape or just cite blogs and rubbish anyway. I know PHG got knocked on the head for having info not match up with refs, but let's face it, look who was complaining about him? Durova, Elonka, Jehochman, Shell Kinney and others. All people who attract a lot of eyes when they campaign for something, so the ArbCom had to react with all the eyes on them. But many other established users including admins are career POV-pushers and have ethnic blocs to protect them. Who's going to bother manning them all the time? And a lot of aggressive admins, despite what they say, only crack down on people who show dissent, although ostensibly it is for POV pushing. They have no interest in the content and any smart POV pusher knows that the only thing they will care much about is their ego massage. I predict that people will just randomly attach fake refs or refs with incomplete coverage to get their stuff out of danger. Many of these sweeping pronouncements have little effect on anything without anything serious on the ground. Wikipedia is a lot about gaming metrics and feeling better about oneself by tricking the casual observer with some meaningless stats so that one's prestige increases. Like Robert S McNamara and his silly stats, so all the lieutenants, captains and majors report gamed body counts to get a promotion or being removed from command. A lot of smaller wikis create empty articles with blank infoboxes, section headers only with no prose, or copy the same meaningless sentence over; someone on the Marathi.wp created about 100 cricket biographies which all had the exact same sentence about something cut and pasted. They do this to move up the rankings so that the leaders of the said project look more prestigious and get more praise from the outsider who doesn't look beneath the surface. Or subdivide their edits or let lots of tweaking bots loose so that the # of edits per article skyrockets or create lots of meaningless bureaucracy pages so that their "depth" rating goes up on the meta:List of Wikipedias so that their articles appear more sophisticated, when they aren't. Or simply doing the bare mininum to pass GA/FA (and never improving the article again until it gets hauled to FAR/GAR) or choosing the easiest targets to inflate the WikiProject or personal FA/GA count, because the casual observer will assume that 100 FAs is better than 50 FAs when the 100 FAs could just be 5kb long about a small thing, while the 50 could be all 60kb long about complicated prime ministers or presidents who ruled for a long time. Or simply writing a FA/GA that is not comprehensive enough in the comfort that nobody else on wiki knows about the content and getting a cheap milestone. And so on. People have always added fake references, and there isn't any reason why they won't continue to do so here to pass the token screening. YellowMonkey ( bananabucket) 01:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Not sure about a lot of what's said above, but if you arbcom did something wrong, then ignoring dissent like this will work well (feel free to ignore). - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 07:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
After a year or two of the original arbitration committee, arbitrator Fred Bauder introduced workshop pages. Prior to that all work in progress was restricted to the evidence page (edited by anyone) and the proposed decision page (edited only by arbitrators and. later, also by clerks). The idea was good: increase community involvement. It was a resounding success. Nowadays parties take it for granted that they can spend a few weeks editing motions condemning one another to various versions of wiki-hell, before the Committee surprises everybody with its own, definitive, decision.
The problem as I see it is that this may have contributed to the tendency of arbitration to be regarded as an extremely acrimonious and undesirable process. Perhaps that's inevitable. But I'd like the committee to consider that, since the Workshop format was basically the initiative of one member, albeit strongly supported by other arbitrators at the time and patronised with enthusiasm by involved parties ever since, it remains within the Committee's gift.
The committee may want to hear some cases on the evidence alone, without workshop. I suggest that arbitrators consider this question when they vote on whether to accept a case, or at some later point during the case. -- TS 02:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that it was NewYorkBrad who fairly recently said that the committee would welcome some more involvement/commentary on cases here. I've at least been skimming over most of what shows up here ever since, which leads to a complaint that I'd like to make. I think that the current discussion convention used here is too rigid, stilted, and disjointed to really be effective. I only have a half formed proposal here, so if we could brainstorm on it some that would be nice. I see the definate utility in having "involved parties" make statements within a distinct section, and I think that should be retained. However, I think that it ends up causing more harm then good to force everyone else commenting to follow suit. For one thing it makes cases which garner any significant commentary huge, and like I said above the discussion can quickly become disjointed and confusing. My proposal is that, when a new case, motion, request, or whatever is started, that there should be a dedicated section for each of the involved parties, and then a Discussion section for everyone to comment about the case. We could, and probably should, then come up with some guidelines on limiting sniping by involved parties in the proposed discussion area, but I think that this would help facilitate things here overall.
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Is Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy/Draft an active proposal, or just old history cluttering up the proposals category? Should it be marked as failed or just removed from the category? Fences& Windows 22:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
I have found a discrepancy between the arbitration principles and speedy deletion. The discussion about it may be found here: Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Discrepancy between Arbitration principles and CSD:G4 Stephen! Coming... 10:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Recently, while I was trying to calm the waves at a highly disputed article, I learned that my edits, which I thought to be impartial administrative actions, could easily be seen as violating the Discretionary sanctions, when an editor posted a message originally titled " You've broken the 1rr on the Gaza flotilla raid article - multiple times". It seems that a literal interpretation of WP:1RR allows typical disruptive POV warring edits, while forbidding their reversal. See discussion of my proposal for radical simplification. Can an ArbCom member please clarify the application of this rule? Would my proposed change better express its intent? — Sebastian 19:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
This is in relation to Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/KJV. The user at the center of the arbitration case, under the radar (or under my radar at least) back in February, reverted/restored the 200 articles which were at the center of that dispute (see Category:Gospel of Matthew verses). It does not appear there was any prior discussion, just a bold recreation of the exact same disputed content. My gut desire is just to revert that action wholesale, but I feel like since 5 years have passed and this may be controversial, I want to get additional input. I am coming here since there was an arbcom case, but I acknowledge there may be better places to go, and would gladly move elsewhere. I brought it up here as that was part of the old discussion, but I'm not sure anyone is watching that (or that any user who joined in the last 5 years knows that page exists).- Andrew c [talk] 02:46, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Wasn't sure how to do this, but I sent an e-mail to "arbcom-l[AT]lists.wikimedia.org" which contained some sensitive information that I was unable to post openly on Wikipedia. Is that account regularly checked? I've heard a lot of stories about the Wikipedia e-mails disappearing into a pit with no response. Wasn't sure if there was anyone I needed to contact to alert them I'd sent that e-mail. - OberRanks ( talk) 03:21, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
After I made this tangentially related comment to the Climate Change arbitration case, Amorymeltzer thought that it was an interesting, if bureaucratic (which I agree with), question. So to put it simply: Are administrators who resigned their tools while in good standing allowed to invoke discretionary sanctions in cases where they would be allowed to do so had they the admin bit? NW ( Talk) 23:10, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
The latest draft of the proposed update to the Arbitration policy is here with discussion of the draft here. All editors are cordially invited to participate. Roger Davies talk 03:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
He permit himself to send a warning message about my edits. He go on and go on to accuse me about "personnal edits", while all the text was sourced, idem for the map. He does not want to discuss on the talk page. It is inadmissible in regards of the wikirules. -- 90.9.177.109 ( talk) 17:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Note: The following was transferred here by mutual agreement from the Proposed Decision talk page of the Climate Change arbitration case
Remedy 1.2, as drafted and currently passing, says: The sanctioned editor may appeal any sanction imposed under these provisions to the imposing administrator, the appropriate noticeboard (currently Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement), or the Committee.
I propose the appeals process be given a little more definition and transparency. The present formulation leaves a number of questions open:
If there are public pages on the project answering all of these questions already (I've been around for years and am not aware of any, but would be grateful for pointers), then perhaps a link to them could be added to the remedy. If there are no such pages, we should consider creating them, so there is a defined, transparent and binding process for handling appeals. -- JN 466 23:15, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Substantively, then, we tend to not make the email address too obvious since we discourage people from appealing by email unless there are unavoidable privacy matters; appeals for sanctions from enforcement should not normally be held privately.
In practice, I don't think that people have ever been turned away from reasonable appeal for points of process. When we decline to hear a case or an appeal, we try really hard to point at what the "right" next step should have been. That said, I'm really not opposed to making a process for appeals that is clear and straightforward — perhaps the AE board itself could give the appropriate pointers? (This is, in the end, where the sanctions should originate). I'd also think that it's the responsibility of the admin enforcing a sanction to be clear in their communications with the editor; at the very least an notification of a sanction should clearly explain how one may appeal it. — Coren (talk) 01:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that the remedy itself is the right place for them though. How about making a "Guide to appealing sanctions" as a subpage of AE, and give prominent links to it on AE and as part of the standard verbiage when a sanction is applied? This is more likely to be maintained, kept clear by the community, and much less gameable than possibly subtly different variants spread over numerous decisions? — Coren (talk) 15:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Coren, I wanted to do some work on the matter we discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration#Appeals_process_for_discretionary_sanctions last month. As you will remember, the AE appeals process is supposed to comprise three steps: (1) appeal to the administrator who has imposed the sanction, (2) appeal to the AE board, presumably using {{ Arbitration enforcement appeal}}, (3) appeal to arbcom. I would like to ask you for some advice:
Would be grateful for any pointers. Best, -- JN 466 19:48, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
WP:AEBLOCK provides some more detail, saying the blocked editor should contact the blocking admin by e-mail. However, it also seems to contradict some of the basic principles we had agreed on in that it does not list a discussion at AE as an option; in fact it says that users "are not entitled to a community review of [their] block." and states "The reviewing administrator may decline to initiate a community discussion if you do not prepare a convincing appeal before making your unblock request". It all seems a little confusing. I will copy the above to the Arbitration talk page; it is probably best to carry the conversation on there. Cheers, -- JN 466 09:15, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
For a current case, see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Ferahgo_the_Assassin&oldid=399103014#Blocked – an admin reviewed the unblock request on the user's talk page, and then transferred it to the AE board.
This makes sense, but it contradicts the standard wording of arbitration remedies like the one quoted at the beginning of the thread, which tells the editor to appeal sanctions (including blocks) at AE. (They'd obviously have to wait for the block to expire before they could ask for review of it at AE.) -- JN 466 09:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
For reference, the current wording of the "Instructions for appealing an arbitration enforcement action" in the AE editnotice is reproduced below.
Instructions for appealing an arbitration enforcement action
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To appeal an arbitration enforcement actions in cases in which the relevant remedy allows for such appeals, please copy the following text to the edit box below. (In all other cases, or alternatively, you may appeal to the Arbitration Committee.) {{subst:Arbitration enforcement appeal | Appealing user = <Username> | User imposing the sanction = <Username> | Sanction being appealed = <Text> <!-- Provide a brief description, a link to the sanctions log (if any) and to the discussion resulting in the sanction (if any). Example: Topic ban from the subject of Antarctica-Micronesia relations, imposed at [[WP:AE/Archive50#Request concerning ProudPenguin]], logged at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Antarctica-Micronesia#Log of blocks and bans]] --> | Reason for the appeal = <Your text> <!-- Please explain *why* you appeal the sanction and whether you want it to be lifted or modified. --> }} You may also choose not to use this template and format your request by hand, as long as you provide all relevant information as described in the template above. If you use this template, please provide the information required after the "=" signs and press the "preview" button to make sure that the request looks like you want it to. Then, please leave the "subject" line empty and press the "Save changes" button. After the page has been saved, please notify the administrator who made the enforcement action of this appeal. Attention: Your request may be declined without further action if you provide insufficient or unclear information |
This says, at the top, In all other cases, or alternatively, you may appeal to the Arbitration Committee, which is at variance with the idea expressed above that the Arbitration Committee should be the last court of appeal, to be approached once other avenues have been exhausted. -- JN 466 11:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
... a case is not accepted. Is it archived somewhere. Mjroots ( talk) 12:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Please see the new page
Wikipedia:Database reports/Talk pages by size (to be updated weekly). This talk page ranks 14th, with 13996 kilobytes.
Perhaps this will motivate greater efficiency in the use of kilobytes.
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I just read the first few sections and still don't know what "Arbitration" is. I learned about what it is not and when it should be used, but what is it? 173.180.214.13 ( talk) 02:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Regarding this principle, how would one have to go about seeing this applied to another, similar situation? I vividly remember when a group of editors frantically removed the middle names from many politicans' articles' infoboxes in order to justify the removal of "Hussein" from the infobox in Barack Obama. What happened back then fits the principle perfectly, but how could this be brought to the committee's attention? Does this warrant a full case? -- 87.78.73.29 ( talk) 04:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
There is an active proposal at Talk:Astrology which conflicts with Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience#Generally considered pseudoscience:
Theories which have a following, such as astrology, but which are generally considered pseudoscience by the scientific community may properly contain that information and may be categorized as pseudoscience.
A summary of the proposed changes is available at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard#Pseudoscientific status of astrology (see the comment dated "21:57, 14 March 2011 (UTC)").
I am not sure what, if any, level of involvement ArbCom or editors involved with ArbCom may desire in this matter, but I thought it would be appropriate to post a notification here. Cheers, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 21:27, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Search for "arbcom". If anyone wants to give an opinion on whether or not this feels like an appropriate job for Arbcom, you're more than welcome to weigh in. - Dank ( push to talk) 19:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
I apologize if I should suggest this elsewhere, but I noticed the earlier discussion on workshop pages and felt the need to say something. I've been a longtime reader of arbitration cases (it makes for nice bedtime reading), and I don't know that I've ever really seen a workshop accomplish any grand purpose that justifies its existence. Certainly, I think the current committee has been doing an excellent job of utilizing the space to draft proposals and engage the parties, but it doesn't seem to really jive with the way arbitration even works. Arbitrators draft their own proposals, after all, and one certainly gets the idea from reading these cases that the committee does most of its deliberation privately. Workshops always seem like a free-for-all, and even people who I've learned to respect by reading these cases come across poorly in the workshop.
I'll freely admit that, as an inexperienced bystander, I might not have much to add to the discussion on this point, but it does concern me. Perhaps it requires an RFC (although I can't imagine that bringing more light than fire), but it might be possible for the arbitration committee to simply choose to eliminate workshop pages, replacing it with another page (I like the idea of doing oral arguments Supreme Court style) or allowing its useful functions to move elsewhere (the evidence talk page and proposed decision talk page, probably). Its current form, however, only encourages needless arguments and grandstanding without illuminating any situation. Maybe it would work better as a "closing argument" page? I don't know; anything would be better than the nearly formless mass of hate going on on that page.
Like I said: I'm nobody important around here. But it does seem like a valuable conversation, and if somebody as clueless as me can see this, surely my betters are concerning themselves with the issue. Regards, Archaeo ( talk) 18:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
How about changing
so that it goes into Template:RFARcasenav. We could put
{{#ifeq:{{{open}}}|yes|<div style="border: 2px blue solid; font-size: 115%; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: auto; margin-left:auto"><center>As this case is currently open, no changes to this page should be made and any unauthorised additions reverted.</br> If you have evidence you wish to present, please post it at the [[/Evidence|evidence page]]. Proposals may be made at the [[/Workshop|workshop]].</center></div>}} at the bottom of the template. ~~ EBE123~~ talk Contribs 13:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm looking for some clarification on removal of relevant information from articles where there are facts or theories in dispute. An arbcom decision from 19 years ago said:
I'm wondering if that is still policy. If so, is there a place where principles like this are readily available for quick reference?
And what should I do if I want to add an author's viewpoint about some controversial topic into an article, and someone reverts it? How prominent or well-educated does an author have to be, before his comments about one side in a controversy getting their way by underhanded methods are considered important enough to include in an article about that controversy? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 00:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
It's in the future tense. No one noticed that this would need to be changed once ratified. Tony (talk) 09:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
This comment in a nutshell:
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I'm concerned about how the scope of an arbitration case is determined.
While I closely monitored the Climate Case, it was clear that was an unusual case. I haven't been involved in other cases in any detail, so I'm hampered by lack of historical involvement, but I hope to make up for it with the advantage of (relatively) fresh eyes.
In the mis-named "cults" request, I see arbitrators concerned about the scope definition of the case. I saw this as a positive, but wondered how it would be resolved, because I see multiple comments about scope issues, but no specific area called "Scope".
I read the Arbitration guide, which didn't appear to address how the scope is determined. On the chance I missed something, I searched for the word "scope" and leaned it does not appear.
I reviewed Arbitration/Policy. This page does cover scope, but this defines the overall scope of the entire remit of the committee, not the specific scope for a specific case.
I realize not all procedures are codified, so I thought I could figure it out by looking at a case. I looked at the Date delinking case, because I had been reviewing it for other reasons. Surely a case that is closed will have a succinct summary of the scope of the case somewhere.
I didn't find it. I see an opening statement by Locke Cole, who starts by mentioning an ongoing content dispute (which is clearly outside the remit) and then mentioning user conduct emanating from these content disputes. Conduct is within the remit, but is it really the situation that the opening statement by the filing editor defines the scope? I do see arbitrators comments on scope in the opinions on hearing the matter, but I see nothing that clearly reconciles the differences. JV accepts with "tight scope of date delinking" while Rlevse accepts with a proposal to expand to include MOSNUM. Coren accepts, referring to "large scale implementation of style changes". Sounds like a broadening of the scope. I won't walk through all the comments of all arbitrators. That shouldn't be necessary. I do not disagree that arbitrators should have some back and forth about what the scope should be - that's entirely appropriate. I wouldn't be disagree that the scope might change depending on the nature of the evidence presented. But ArbCom should have a clear statement of the scope somewhere; one should have to "solve for the scope" by reading every comment of the arbitrators, and guessing where they ended up.
I grant this is only a minor issue when it comes to the date delinking case. Whether the scope is narrowing date delinking or broader is of some importance, but roughly speaking, most participants had a rough notion of the scope.
However, I think the failure to explicitly specify the scope, even in rough terms, is more problematic in the "Cults" issue. If the scope is largely determined by the filing editor, the statement by ResidentAnthropologist is rambling and very poorly defined. For example, point 8 refers to "the accused editors". Does this mean only the two editors mentioned in the opening paragraph, or any editor mentioned in the entire statement? Or the list of involved editors? (As an aside, why do we permit the use of the term "accused"? Why not simply use the less pejorative "involved")
Given the proposed name "cult" does that mean the Santorum related issues are outside the scope?
Wikipedia review? Are we serious? How on earth does the (broad) scope of ArbCom include the ability to comment on whether it is OK to post to WR?
I do have faith in the ability of ArbCom to define an appropriate scope, but I think such scope should be explicitly listed. Based upon my (admittedly limited) review of prior cases, I do not see such an explicit statement, and I do not believe that reviewing the arbitrators acceptance statements is the proper way to determine the scope of a case.-- SPhilbrick T 12:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps this should be redirected here, as I am not seeing any replies to my question(s) posted there? Is that page watched by any arbitrators or clerks? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:30, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
The archive is showing no cases for June (it says: "1.2 June - The above months are hidden until they begin -->"). Is this an error? II | ( t - c) 20:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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Here the community, in the shape mainly of admins (I forget exactly who) had castigated the combatants for forum shopping. In addition a number of admins (and others) had worked to centralise the discussion. The Arbcom motion, and some of the arbitrator votes, undermined this by giving weight to the number of pages on which the discussions had appeared. Moreover, having jumped the gun they did not avail themselves of the opportunity to support cooperative solutions parts of the community were trying to develop, by taking the procedural opportunity to propose a solution, rather than a sanction, put together by
User:Worm That Turned and offered by me, instead expending their energies in other directions. I would ask Arbcom to seriously consider finding a way forward rather than the current situation where they are simply supporting one side in a dispute, based on two factors, firstly the fact that a previous Arbcom case of some years ago went against Delta, and secondly the determination of his opponents to spread the dispute as widely as possible.
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