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I think it would be best if we defined terrorism, for the purposes this project, as "violence against civilians by an organized, non-state actor for political purposes." That rules out Hussein, various U.S. presidents, et cetera. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 04:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
while i agree that the above definition is an admirable attempt, and certainly fits the current usage of terrorist/ism in the world media & western politics, i have several issues with it. 1. it excludes the brighton bombing. grounds - civilian does not include the commander in chief of the armed forces (also priome minister) who was widely reguarded to be the chief target of that attack. 2. 'non-state' has a haze of terrorist vs freedom-fighter to it... perhaps 'unpopular' would fit as well? perhaps finding a definition should be the prime focus of this project? i suggest 'pejorative term describing combatants in internationally unrecognised wars & their acts. often used as a dismissive tactic for their ideologies & to demonise enemies of the local state.' Commentary 12:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Ilario and Mattis were working for government organizations (US Army), so are automatically discluded from this project's scope, not neccessarily from being terrorists, that's just up to each individual. Similarily, the Dresden bombing (And why doesn't anybody ever mention the bombing of London?) falls far short of a 1975 cut-off date to have to worry about. As per whether we should differentiate between "State terrorism" and "terrorism", I think the simplest answer is "Yes, just like we differentiate between murder and assassination", they are two different phenomena in the world, that use similar tactics to achieve similar goals, but "State terrorism" would fall under a separate project. As per the Unabomber, he's a difficult case whether or not to include... Timothy McVeigh definitely acted in concert with several John Does, and the Nicholls brothers...but Theodore didn't, as I recall...personally I'd suggest we leave him off the list myself, but that would depend on consensus I suppose. Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 19:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Given that the definition of 'terrorism' is hotly disputed, I would think that trying to pin down a definition here counts as original research. I think the word shouldn't be used in wikipedia at all unless its part of a citation. Damburger 12:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
I totally disagree to define terrorism as an act of violence not comitted by a State. There truly IS such a thing as State terror, as it happened at many times throughout History, so it's very bizarre and unsubstantiated to put it aside for a more "Bushworld" definition of the term "terrorism". Why can't we just agree on the definitions that were already coined by the major dictionaries???
From the Free Dictionary:
[1] : The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48
Terrorism \Ter"ror*ism\, n. [Cf. F. terrorisme.] 1. The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation. --Jefferson. [1913 Webster]
2. The practise of coercing governments to accede to political demands by committing violence on civilian targets; any similar use of violence to achieve goals. [PJC]
[2] : WordNet (r) 2.0
terrorism n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]
See also: [act of terrorism] [terrorist act]
...and a lighter definition by Merriam-Webster's dictionary:
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m Function: noun
- ter·ror·ist /-&r-ist/ adjective or noun - ter·ror·is·tic /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective
Let's go for:
"violence against civilians by an organized actor, for political or ideological purposes, aimed at influencing through fear."
I am not in this project but
there have been efforts for a Wikipedia policy on the word. --
Error 23:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, here are some subjects that ought to be covered.
General: Terrorism, Definition of terrorism, Template:terrorism, Mujahideen, Jihad, Freedom fighter, List of terrorist organisations, Suicide bomber, Counter-terrorism, Nationalist terrorism, Domestic terrorism, Terrorist front organization, Eco-terrorism, International conventions on terrorism, List of terrorist incidents, List of organisations involved in religious terrorism, Narcoterrorism, Anarchist terrorism, FBI Most Wanted Terrorists
Japanese Red Army: Haruo Wako, Osamu Maruoka, Shigenobu, Yu Kikumura, Yoshimi Tanaka, Yukiko Ekita, Kozo Okamoto, Masao Adachi, Lod Airport massacre, Japan Airlines Flight 472, Malaysia Airlines Flight 653
Irgun: List of Irgun attacks during the 1930s, David Raziel, Lehi (group), Avraham Tehomi, Deir Yassin, King David Hotel bombing, Uri Avnery, Yitzhak Shamir
ETA: Grupos Antiterroristas de Liberación, Francisco Mujika Garmendia, José Luis Alvarez Santacristina, José María Arregi Erostarbe
Palestine Liberation Organization: Fatah - the Revolutionary Council, Abu Nidal, Yasser Arafat, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Black September (group), Munich massacre, Salah Khalaf, Khartoum diplomatic assassinations, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command, Avivim school bus massacre, Dawson's Field hijackings ( Leila Khaled and Patrick Arguello), Kiryat Shmona massacre, Ma'alot massacre, Achille Lauro, Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Marwan Barghouti, Zakaria Zubeidi, Popular Resistance Committees, Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam: Velupillai Prabhakaran, S. Subramanian, Anton Balasingham, Sea Tigers, Thenmuli Rajaratnam
Hamas: Muslim Brotherhood, History of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, History of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Yahya Ayyash, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, Ahmed Yassin, Salah Shahade, Adnan al-Ghoul, Mohammed Deif, Salah Shahade, Wa'el Nassar, Salama Hamad, Imad Abbas, Nidal Fat'hi Rabah Farahat, Imad Aqel, Mahmoud al-Zahar, Netanya suicide attack, Patt junction massacre, Jerusalem bus 20 massacre, Jerusalem bus 2 massacre, Ibrahim al-Makadmeh, Members of Hamas called Qawasameh, Mohammad Taha, Khaled Mashal, Mousa Abu Marzuk, Izz El-Deen Sheikh Khalil
Provisional Irish Republican Army: Seán Mac Stíofáin, Dáithí Ó Conaill, Joe Cahill, IRA Army Council, Bloody Friday, Continuity Irish Republican Army, Real Irish Republican Army, Balcombe Street Siege, Birmingham Six, Birmingham pub bombings, Guildford Four, Brighton hotel bombing
Hezbollah: William R. Higgins, 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, Islamic Jihad, April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing, William Francis Buckley, Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, Abbas al-Musawi, Israeli Embassy attack in Buenos Aires, AMIA Bombing, Imad Mugniyah, Ibrahim Hussein Berro, Alas Chiricanas Flight 00901, TWA Flight 847, Mohammed Ali Hammadi, Imad Mugniyah, Hassan Izz-Al-Din, Al-Manar
Red Army Faction: Andreas Baader, Thorwald Proll, Gudrun Ensslin, Horst Söhnlein, German Autumn, Brigitte Mohnhaupt, Christian Klar, Susanne Albrecht, Landshut Hijacking
Al-Qaeda: Oplan Bojinka, September 11, 2001 attacks, 11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings, and many, many more
Others: Action Directe (urban guerrillas), Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia, Boricua Popular Army, Red Brigades, Shining Path, Weatherman (organization)
Lone-wolf terrorism: Eric Robert Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Baruch Goldstein, David Copeland, John Allen Muhammad, Lee Boyd Malvo, Theodore Kaczynski
Tangentially or controversially related: Earth Liberation Front, Animal Liberation Front, Tali Fahima, Khalid bin Mahfouz
I fill in more as I have time. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 04:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I like the idea of narrowing this down. Here's my suggestion:
What do you think? Is this a good way to be thorough, yet narrow the scope? We could call it the "contemporary terrorism" project if we wanted to be more precise. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 01:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
User:AlMac| (talk) 08:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I've got a question for the participants in this (these) WikiProject(s). Is the mere assumption of the concept "terrorism" related to the official point of view of certain governments about it? Without a strict definition of the term, this WikiProject by itself could derive in a biased set of articles, opinions and assertions that would be taken just as an mere echo of persons, institutions or even States that have strong interests in the general perception of what "terrorism" is. That problem is particularly notorious in some of the proposed aspects involved in the WikiProject, such as "Terrorism and Counter-Terrorism". Who decides if certain armed action is a genuine act of terrorism? Are the "legally covered" military actions, against a specific group or a whole country, outside any judgment of its hypothetic terrorist character? Wikipedia has its main strength in the neutrality, which guarantees the independency of the global project and, also, allows the project to be shared in its philosophy by many people around the world. I know that it could be very hard for the leaders of the Wikipedia project take control of the spread variety of initiatives that appear here and there (and, certainly, this is not the idea of those leaders), but it is quite important for the future of this valuable project that its nature doesn't get distorted as new branches emerge.
I'll try to contribute as I can, but doubt I'll be able to do enough to call myself a "participant" (I'm in poor health)... I see you running into all kinds of controversy from people who deny any difference between stealth attacks on innocent civilians and nation-state military actions, but by my lights there is indeed an objective difference with real moral implications, and I hope you can hold the line on that. JDG 20:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
| Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti | Taha Yassin Ramadan | Awad Hamed al-Bandar | Abdullah Kadhem Roweed Al-Musheikhi | Mizher Abdullah Roweed Al-Musheikhi | Ali Daeem Ali | Mohammed Azawi Ali Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 20:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
9/11 hijackers, we seem to say "They also used the alias..." quite a bit, when it seems like a slightly POV term, when these are almost entirely FBI mix-ups, or media misspellings, not aliases. I'm in favour of keeping the list of additional names for a reader to search for online, but think we should instead say "His name was at various times identified as..." - thoughts? Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 13:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Just as per the earlier discussions on the difference between what is known about the hijackers (Hani Hanjour enrolled at Sawyer Aviation), and what is only 'known' about them, but widely reported by the media (Atta enjoyed lapdances, based on the testimony of strippers who recognise his face), I think I found my favourite, where this link indicates Folks at the Chapel of Love quickie-marriage emporium even swear they saw Atta driving a cab. Heh Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 11:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
there is no doubt that Al qaeda is the number1 terrorist organisation in the world,and it is not listed here.so i have. and by the way,how come this project doesnt have templates? Mes Aynak?-- Jayanthv86 18:45, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Although the article doesn't appear on your project page, I guess this article would fit into your project, since al-Manar has been listed as a terrorist organization by the state department: I would like to improve/expand/ the article on this tv station (possible even to FA status) and was hoping you guys would be interested in helping me. I have searched the whole internet for sources and listed them as a sub-page of my user page. Would you be interested in helping here?-- Carabinieri 10:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Check the archives. A lot of key topics there.
For example. Osama bin Laden, and his representatives, have made several speeches trying to explain why they declared war on America, and what it is they want ... their conditions for peace. Does their position have a place in this Wikipedia, and can it be protected from vandalism? User:AlMac| (talk) 04:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Another place with relevant discussion, defining terminology. Terrorism may or may not include Islamic extremists. Which is the more correct terminology? Islamist or Islamic? I feel like we may need a Wikithesaurus giving the best words to use in what context. This would be a prerequisite to merging some similar articles. User:AlMac| (talk) 08:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Way too much self-serving identification of groups and individuals as terrorists here. Where is Luis Posada Carriles, the mastermind behind the explosion of a Cuban airliner?
Where is the discussion of false-flag terrorism, used by certain countries to frame their political enemies?
Clearly this page and project has been started with the intent of demonizing anti-american and anti-Israeli "terrorists". So much of the information here, esp. the identities of the WTC demolition-related hijackers is based on nothing more than the assertions of a lying administration... talk about revisionist history...
Can we add the pages on Counterterrorism and antiterrorism to this project, or must we only refer to individuals here? I ask this because my expertise is in my experience wtih CT/AT tactics in the military, not history. ⇒ SWATJester 20:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of adding things, can we add the recent intelligence summit in where Terrorism was a key topic (second only to release of tapes showing Saddam's intent to avoid Weapons Inspectors)?
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Just stumbled on this and find the project attractive; however, I do not have much time on my hands these days - so, I'll leave a note. Babbar Khalsa seems to be ok, but the articles on the terrorists mentioned there need to be started or improved. I see regular discussions on Talk:Nelson Mandela as to the contention that he is a freedom-fighter vs. the one which calls him a terrorist. I see the same on Talk:Terrorism in Kashmir as well, so someone may want to step in. -- Gurubrahma 08:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I took liberty in adding the German Red Army Fraction and the German Autumn to the project page. I feel that these articles also could need some work. Ben T/ C 03:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
While I really hate to bring even more opinions to this article, it could really use expanding. Can someone here help out? It is becoming incredibly hard to find anything verifiable on this sniper/freedom fighter/terrorist. Thanks. -- The1exile - Talk - Contribs 16:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello - would someone with more knowledge on the subject look at The Order (group) and the related David Lane & Robert Jay Mathews entries and decide if this group and the individuals involved meet the amorphous criteria of domestic terrorists? There has been some contention about the matter over at Talk:David Lane. These entries have a "fan base" and The Order & Robert Jay Mathews are pure starry-eyed fancruft at the moment. David Lane is tagged with the terrorist category, but the other two are not. I argued that David Lane meets the criteria, but now I am bowing to the experts on the subject to determine if this is an accurate representation. WeniWidiWiki 23:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
He's no terrorist! It was a mistake! Keep up with the times, man! Foriegners shouldn't add someone that they don't know everything about! They should ask here! -- NatovR 16:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Replaced "stub" with "good" - acknowledging how much work was spent on this. The main problem remaining is when his brother was released from prison. Various reports clash with the version of Der Spiegel. User:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 23:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I have started work on OEF articles. There was talk by a user of wanting to merge OEF into Afghan war so I began to expand the article to show its more then just Afghanistan that its related to. I am currently looking for OEF-HOA, Horn of Africa, related information so I can begin an article on that, currently just have some senate reports about it. -- zero faults |sockpuppets| 14:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
We could clean this one up a bit more, its pretty sparse as is. Rangeley 02:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I added all this to the Waziristan article under a section titled Success, and rearranged it to be chronologically correct. -- zero faults |sockpuppets| 18:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Were you all aware of this pre-existing (January '06) WikiProject? Your scope seems a little more expansive than theirs. Anyway, go take a look. GRBerry 03:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Pasban e Islam has been nominated for deletion. Reading the article and the one substantive comment on the AFD, the organization has been associated with terrorism. The AFD has been relisted for more input, and I thought you might be a group in good position to give more input and or improve the article to address the nominators concerns. GRBerry 22:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
This is a newly formed project with a more expansive scope. They've decided to target anything that can be categorized at Category:Terrorism or it's subcategories. Take a look. GRBerry 03:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
This appears to be a comprehensive effort to help articles dealing with this important subject. I am also interested in this area, especially in counterterrorism and links between terror organizations and state-sponsors. Since I do not know my way around the project yet, I would like to ask a few questions. Under what category is the War on Terrorism article found? Is there a category under counterterrorism for the Operation Iraqi Freedom documents article? Is there a category suitable for the Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda article? I have not looked yet, but there should be an article on Hezbollah and al-Qaeda. Is there a category for articles that discuss the relationship between terror organizations? Thanks for helping me find my way around. RonCram 12:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Ziad Jarrah is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 22:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Me and some other editors have been creating this article and would like help and think it should be part of the project. Is it ok for me to add the terrorism project template on the talk page of the article? I have just joined today. Hypnosadist 15:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Jimbo Wales highly recommended to delete the article about the SPK and all links to the Wikipedia-project terrorism. See our recent Boston meeting, see the juridical proceedings of SPK against Wikipedia.
I made no recommendation about this article. The anon ip number should be ignored.-- Jimbo Wales 23:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Should we create an article of these attempted bombings of trains in germany. [5] Hypnosadist 23:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Considering that the two projects have a significant amount of overlap, I was wondering whether the members of this project would consider merging the project with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism and counter-terrorism. Badbilltucker 23:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
I've also been working on missing topics lists based on these specific books as well, it it would be any help to the project in the future. MadMax 04:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Myself and several others have tried to make September 11, 2001 attacks more encyclopedic but there has been considerble resistance from a group of people 'guarding' the POV of the article. The opening paragraph uses the word 'terrorist' in the editorial voice. I don't care if it has a citation - it's written as the opinion of wikipedia and wikipedia is not supposed to have an opinion. Words like 'massacred' and 'murdered' are used instead of the neutral 'killed'.
The editors camping out the article simply cannot see their own bias. Something needs to be done there. Damburger 12:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 23:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC) {{ Terrorist organisations active in India}}
I've been asking around on various crime and criminology related WikiProjects concerning a proposal for WikiProject Crime and, if the project gains support, weither members of WikiProject Terrorism and other projects would be interested in forming a Portal:Crime in order to organize and coordinate overlapping crime and criminology related projects ? MadMax 21:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I've done my best to help this article, and I thought I'd draw attention to it from other editors. It still needs help. -- Saswann 18:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I tagged Project Megiddo with this Project--what else needs to be done? I wasn't sure if this or the general Terror project would be better, either... thoughts? F.F.McGurk 21:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Canal Hotel Bombing | |
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Location | Baghdad, Iraq |
Date | August 19, 2003 |
Target | United Nations headquarters |
Attack type | Car bomb |
Deaths | 22 |
Injured | 100+ |
Perpetrators | al-Qaeda |
See this proposal for a terrorist campaign box under the terror attack infobox. -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 23:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm creating a new article 2007 Plot to Behead a British Muslim Soldier. Hypnosadist 00:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Two users, or possibly one, Aaliyah Stevens and Cs, tried to delete Terrorism in Kazakhstan. The AFD failed (66% voted in favor of keeping it), but they have effectively refused to accept the community's consensus. Cs has moved the page to "Potential for Terrorism in Kazakhstan." I find this title and other edits to this page by these two users to be ridiculous. Opinions on what the title of the article should be (on Talk:Potential for Terrorism in Kazakhstan) are welcomed. KazakhPol 03:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Somebody may want to check out List of terrorist attacks in Canada - it looks like it's been vandalized. Last modified 13:23, 19 March 2007.
It's been a while since I read up on the subject, but I don't recall Orlando Bosch being "a extremely radical homosexal activist", among other gems.
I'd do it myself, but I don't have the time to do the research to do it right.
-- 161.203.16.1 18:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC) Pete
Hello everyone, I'll glad to have suggestions on improving the template listing terrorist groups active in india LegalEagle 10:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
There has been some recent discssion of a crime related Wikipedia newsletter based on a collaberation of the various WikiProjects such as WP:CRIME, WP:BRITCRIME, ect. and I was wondering if WikiProject Terrorism might be interested in working on such a project ? MadMax 12:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I've been trying to track down the "sponsor" for "Infobox terrorist organization", but without success (cf. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) to resolve an issue concerning an unclear entry line. I'd appreciate it if someone could point me to the right place. TIA, Askari Mark (Talk) 05:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
If anyone is seeking a good source for which to expand articles in this project, there is a book I have recently read about halfway through called "Al Qaeda in Europe" it goes into several plots, members, other events and more. I am bringing this up because I have noticed a lot of stubs and I think this book would prove to be a great source.
comedy_watcher 17:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Sherurcij ( Speaker for the Dead) 17:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Right now I believe that the project is the only one in the field which clearly deals with terrorism which does article assessment. Would the rest of you favor broadening the scope of the project to include all articles directly relating to terrorism and related issues, like maybe the articles in the Category:Terrorism, so that these articles could be assessed and included within its scope? John Carter 13:53, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I thought this was only about non-state terrorism. Isn't Hamas part of an elected government? Although it is accurate to say that Palestine is not currently a state. Organ123 17:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I see that there's been a lot of discussion above about the issue of state terrorism. I am also uncomfortable with the notion of a terrorism project that excludes states. Therefore I think that this project should be renamed something like "Non-state terrorism" to be more precise. Organ123 17:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I know that interest in the subject has somewhat waned recently from the heights it reached earlier, but I wonder whether the rest of you think that there would be any interest in creating a portal for terrorism articles. If not, if you could list below which portals you think would be most relevant to this project, I would appreciate it very much. John Carter 18:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I was alerted to this project's widening scope when one of my watchlisted pages ( Contras) was tagged. At first, I suspected that this was a politically motivated tagging, but after reviewing the wide variety of groups and individuals that have recently been added, I am reassured that this was not the case. I still don't like it, but I've decided that I'll live with it as long as there is political parity, and the Sandinista National Liberation Front is also bannered.
This isn't a baseless demand for artificial equivalency. You already cover Dawson's Field, and while the Patrick Argüello entry casts doubt on his status with the FSLN at the time of the hijacking, it also makes it clear that after the revolution, Sandinista leaders were happy to retrospectively bring him back into the fold, naming a geothermal plant after him; the article also shows the poster with his portrait and the trademark Sandino hat, linking the Sandinista and Palestinian struggles. There is also no ambiguity about the FSLN's connections to hijackings like the one in 1970 of a Costa Rican airliner, numerous Symbionese-style robberies, the 1974 Christmas party raid, and the 1978 seizure of the National Palace. You've included groups that have done less.
I suspect that I'm not the only one upset by your classifications, and you might also want to rewrite your banner to say that while this topic has been linked to terrorism by some, this classification might be controversial, and should not be considered definitive. You might even be better off linking to the definition of terrorism page rather than directly to the terrorism article.
Note that I still think the expansion of this project was a bad idea, and that I disagree with a lot of these additions. Numerous groups that would most helpfully be thought of as guerrillas rather than terrorists, including not just those I sympathize with but leftists like Colombia's FARC, are included. I don't think the Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord, which may have had unpleasant beliefs but never did anything and surrendered without firing a shot, should be included. I think it would be better for you to include neither the contras or the Sandinistas. But if you're going to be overly broad in your scope, at least be evenhanded in your injudiciousness.
As an aside, I also don't think "Contras" should be a B-class article. I wrote on the Central American project's Assessment talk page that "I think the article is in terrible shape, and I have to consider an article about rebels that doesn't say anything about the course of the war to be lacking something basic." But this isn't my WikiProject, and I'll let you draw your own conclusions. -- Groggy Dice T | C 00:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow. The Terrorism Portal is being added to some articles that have nothing to do with terrorism. Based on what criteria was this portal added to American Indian Movement? The word terrorism appears nowhere in the article and any assertion that AIM was a terrorist organization would be highly POV. They weren't even guerrillas. - N1h1l 03:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It honestly hadn't occurred to me that there would be significant emotional response to the adding of the project banner, for which I apologize. I have created a rough beginning template based on one of the Fascism WikiProject, {{ Terrorism?}}, which seeks to determine whether the subject qualifies as "terrorist". I am aware that it could use some work, particularly on phrasing, and would welcome any reasonable additions to it. John Carter 14:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The image on the talk page template for this wikiproject has now been changed twice. Do we have consensus for a particular image yet?-- Sefringle Talk 18:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It should be changed again. A template on terrorism in general should not have the logo of one specific organization. Spylab 21:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindutva terrorism. deeptrivia ( talk) 04:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I've added a proposal at Talk:List of designated terrorist organizations#Suggestions to improve this list in order to improve this vital list (especially nowadays) and get it to FL status. Your opinion is welcomed. Thank you. CG 14:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Does a group that has been accused of terrorist acts, but has not been explicitly labeled as a terrorist group, qualify for inclusion here? I would say yes--the acts being more significant than the label. Examples of these borderline cases might include American Indian Movement and Haganah. Neither of these organizations had terrorism as an official policy or as a central strategy. Both organizations contained a number individual members who engaged in unquestionably terrorist actions. Verklempt 04:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello everyone. The article Rock Springs massacre, while not tagged by this project probably or maybe falls within its scope. It is a current Featured article candidate, if anyone here has the time comments would be appreciated after reviewing the featured article criteria and comparing those to the article. You can see its entry and participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rock Springs massacre. This message is an attempt to jumpstart lagging discussion, talk page posts on WikiProject pages which have tagged the article went unnoticed as the three projects are less than active at this juncture. Thanks ahead of time. IvoShandor 09:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
RFC for a POV dispute. Help us out! Isaac Pankonin 05:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know if there is an article about the current arrests in germany (and denmark), if so what is it called? If not do editors think it should be started? (Hypnosadist) 09:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
You know, there are two possible ways for this project to be viewed:
Your goal should be the former, not the latter because the latter approach asserts no new facts. Sadly, too often the effect is simply latter, and that to insert the word "terrorism" as many times as possible. You should strive for details and a variety in your vocabulary because the T-word becomes very quickly both boring and uninformative.-- Onomato 07:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
From what I can make out, 'terrorism' is a word used to describe irregular warfare that, from the point of view of the speaker, is not legitimate. As legitimacy is defined in terms that are specific to a particular morality or legal system, the term is always indicative of a point of view. The result is that we have a project that may as well be called 'WikiProject Bad Violence'.
That said- paramilitaries, special forces, popular rebellions and so on, are all worthy of study. So let's rename this project something like 'WikiProject Irregular Warfare' and skip the bit where we decide who are the good guys and who are the bad guys in every conflict and violent action.
I came across this WikiProject when I was looking at the page 8888 Uprising. Wow, so a popular uprising against an oppressive military junta is considered terrorism, yet French Resistance is not. Well fancy that. Who's operating the morality meter today? There are neutral ways to describe these kind of groups and actions that are more specific than 'terrorism' and that do not reveal the writer's approval or disapproval.
Anyone have any suggestions for what alternative names we could use rather than terrorism? Mascus 09:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Terrorism is a means to an end, it does not speak to the value of the end. So, people with laudable goals and who win the nobel peace prize can still be terrorists. Identifying someone as a terrorist doesn't mean he was a bad man, just that he used terroristic methods without proper justification under international law. The issue gets a little cloudy when the accused claims a necessity defense (I had to kill the dictator to stop him from executing the innocent), but it should be possible to sort this out in many cases. We don't have to just throw up our hands and say its so subjective that we can never determine whether an act, person or organization is terroristic. Werchovsky ( talk) 00:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
This article has a number of issues. It's basically just a list of attacks, many of which are unreferenced, and I assume the list is not and will never be complete. For example, it lists many Turkish military casualties but very few PKK casualties, and I would assume there should be more. I think it should either be something much shorter like "so far, X number of Turkish military and Y number of PKK fighters have been killed since..." or maybe take that section out altogether, since it would be hard to find those numbers accurately. The article could even be deleted, as it doesn't serve much purpose now. If some people could take a look I'd appreciate it. -- AW 17:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion in Talk:Islamic terrorism#Article Title. Please participate in it and help us to achieve consensus. -- Seyyed( t- c) 16:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Are Muhammad_Bashmilah and Mohamed Farag Ahmad Bashmilah the same person? Also, Muhammad_Bashmilah needs a new title since it refers to three people not just one (there were previously three copies of the article, one at each name.) — Random832 21:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack is on Peer Review. Your comments would be appreciated, at Wikipedia:Peer review/1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack. Cirt ( talk) 02:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC).
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I have left this message at this project's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I have reviewed Shining Path and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 19:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
time to revive the 2 year old newsletter? Some active admins for the project canget a bot to do it.( Lihaas ( talk) 03:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)).
can we resserect the newsletter now dead for over 2 years. this seems to beone of the more active projcts so that would help cleaning up such article.( Lihaas ( talk) 13:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).
A quick tip off: There's an RFC that's relevant to this project at talk:al-Shabaab#Somaliland RFC. -- Copper button 19:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that the Terror article has recently been created. In connection to that, I would like to know the opinion of the project's community about the need in such an article and its potential scope. Thank you in advance.-- Paul Siebert ( talk) 00:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
All opinions welcome. walk victor falk talk 10:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated Abu Musab al-Zarqawi for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer ( talk) 15:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
This is a current event, and i am surprised that no one has of now began working on the article. Joyson Noel Holla at me! 15:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Image:Ayman Al-Zawahiri.jpg has been flagged for deletion, as it has the wrong permissions templates. 65.94.47.63 ( talk) 06:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I noticed the article on the News International phone hacking scandal is part of WP Terrorism. I think it's outside the scope of the project, and would like to remove the tag. Any thoughts? (Also, if there's a more formal way for me to do this than on this talk page, please let me know. I'm new to being a part of a wiki project). Thanks! Gee totes ( talk) 02:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)