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DivermanAU than you for the edit to
Thomas Jefferson Conant, where you added wstitle, volume and a page number to the template {{
EB1911}}
(
diff).
However although that is a start, to complete the citation, one also need to add in-line citations to meet the requirements of WP:V and the guideline WP:FREECOPYING. The in-line citation can ether be an in-line short citation (as I favour) and have done for that article ( diff); or as an in-line long citations as DavidBrooks favours ( diff — NB the inline=1 parameter).
I made a subsequent edit to the same article, that did not add or subtract any information (other than attributing a POV to the author of the EB1911 article), but added standard sections for this type of biography ( diff).
To check which of the text needs in-line citations the tool Earwig's Copyvio Detector will help spot the text that has been copied (eg earwig 85.6% for Thomas Jefferson Conant.
If the article has yet to be ported to wikisource, and is not available online elsewhere, another technique that may help is to go back to the original copy of the EB1911 text into the Wikipeia article and using the history diff that version against the most recent version. Failing that then I use the version linked to in EB1911#External links at archive.org and use number one eyeball.
Just checking for copied text is not enough, because some or all of the original text may not be a direct copy but is a summary and summaries of EB1911 text can also be supported by an inline citation to EB1911.
Other text may have been added to articles. If it is inserted into a paragraph original copied from the EB1911, then I place a citation to EB1911 before the inserted text then add {{
citation needed}}
after the inserted text and finally add an citation EB1911 to the end of the paragraph.
--
PBS (
talk) 11:56, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Short inline citations incorporating editors of encyclopaedias is (not) wrong which may affect how the EB1911 templates are used in future. -- PBS ( talk) 17:44, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
From my talk page (pinging: user:DavidBrooks and User:Compassionate727)
Greetings! I see that you are one of only two members of WikiProject Encyclopedia Britannica. I was wondering if you would agree with my assessment that the project is now defunct. (I have contacted the other to ask him the same question.) — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 01:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Copied from User talk:DavidBrooks:
@ User:Compassionate727 No.
See the categories under Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica specifically:
There are also other sub categories require work.
Further there is much work to do in updating information already copied from the original source and lots more information to be copied across for Wikisource as Wikisource:Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica delivers more articles in machine readable format. The wording on the project page explains how to reference the text copied so that it does not violate the Plagiarism guideline.
Also Wikisource:Wikisource:WikiProject Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition needs links from the relevant articles here to the articles over on Wikisource and possibly some additional information here gleaned from that source.
-- PBS ( talk) 14:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Over the last couple of days I have been looking at some of the articles at the end of the list in Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with no article parameter (at time of writing there are 40 entries)
So far all the articles I have checked:
I think that numbers (1) and (4) will be quite common in this list. This is because by 2008 it was quite common to demand sources for articles and some editors often using IP addresses added {{
EB1911}}
just so it looked as if the text was authentic. (4)was particularly popular with people who breached copyright. They hoped that by adding {{
EB1911}}
that it would throw editors checking for copyright violations off the sent. This is because 10 years ago thanks to OCR errors it was often difficult to find text in the various copies of EB1911 that were then on line at that time.
So as there are relatively few articles left in that category and they tend to be of a type that are tricky to find, I think that editors need to be suspicious of the use of EB1911 templates on these articles particularly if they were added when the article was created 10+ years ago and no matching source can be found, or if an article was created years before someone tacked on a EB1911 template without also adding new text to the article at the same time.
For those like myself who have been working on this project for some time it is fairly easy to recognise the style of EB1911 articles and recognise those that are purport to be copies of EB1911 text when they are not. I think this rum of articles in this category comes down to paraphrasing footnote 6 in WP:V "Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information" (Jimmy Wales).
So what I propose is. That we go through the category and try to match the original text. If that fails but there is no clear reason for retaining it, I suggest that the template is removed and the article is listed here with a note of why the editor removing the template is not 100% certain that it is the correct thing to do. -- PBS ( talk) 12:12, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
article | Insertion | Note (and signature) |
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August von Wendland | was added by an IP in 2008 | Revision as of 23:05, 17 August 2018. The original entry in 2005 had no citation. I could find no match on the original 2005 text. -- PBS ( talk) 12:12, 18 August 2018 (UTC) |
Jackson's Mill | Revision as of 00:49, 12 February 2006 | The original entry in 2006 had the attribution but I could find no trace of either "Jackson's Mill" or Cummins Jackson in article or page space on EB1911 -- PBS ( talk) 15:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC) |
Byzantine–Mongol alliance | Revision as of 1 January 2008 (Creation) | by User:Per Honor et Gloria.The style of the initial text does not look like an entry in EB1911. The original entry in 2008 had the attribution, but I could not find an article that supported any of this text. -- PBS ( talk) 16:39, 10 October 2018 (UTC) |
Čučuk Stana | Revision as of 13:11, 10 March 2010 (Creation) | The style of the initial text does not look like an entry in EB1911. The oritinal entry in 2010 had the attribution, but I could not find an article that supported any of this text. As the editor who created the artilce
user:Ajdebre was indefinitely blocked for repeated copyright violations, it is likely that the template {{
1911}} was used to disguise the fact. --
PBS (
talk) 16:55, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
|
Cecile de Wentworth | Revision as of 08:17, 15 January 2015 (creation) | user:Fairgeek added the template at creation. I can find no mention of the man (who died in 1933) in EB1911 so I replaced it with a citition to the article in the modern Britannica Encyclopaedia. |
Siba State | Revision at 16:22, 4 July 2014 (new page) | The template was included in the infobox at the creation of the article by user:Xufanc. I can not find mention of it in EB1911 so I have removed the template. -- PBS ( talk) 11:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC) |
Rzochów | Revision as of 01:11, 25 September 2008, Revision as of 01:14, 25 September 2008 | The template was included during the creation of the article by user:Marek69. here is no evidence that this article has text taken from EB1911 so I have removed the template. -- PBS ( talk) 11:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC) |
Roman fort, Mušov | Revision of 03:19, 4 December 2014 (creation) | Removed {{
EB1911}} placed in the article at its creation in 2014 by
user:Jan Sapák,because I could not find any of the text in that revision appearing in EB1911. --
PBS (
talk) 11:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
|
Questenberg | Revision as of 07:27, 23 January 2007 | added by user:Arthur Warrington Thomas during the first few edits to the article. I have removed the template because I can find no evidence that the village is mentioned in EB1911. -- PBS ( talk) 11:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC) |
Elena Asenina of Bulgaria | Revision as of 16:00, 5 December 2007 (New article from WP:AFC) | The author was 77.77.14.21 13:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC). I have checked the version of EB1911 on Wikisource. I can find the men in EB1911 who are mentioned in this article. But this woman is not mentioned in the articles in which they are, so I have removed the template. -- PBS ( talk) 11:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC) |
John of Denmark (1518–1532) | Revision as of 18:39, 19 February 2012 (creation) | by user:Alexcoldcasefan Although I can find evidence of his father in EB1911, I find no mention of the subject of this article so I have removed the template. -- PBS ( talk) 11:57, 11 October 2018 (UTC) |
Georg Franck von Franckenau | Revision as of 02:29, 2 May 2009 | by an IP address. This article was created by copying the German Wikipedia article. I can fined no evidence of this man in EB1911. I have restored the original reference to Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie (ADB) which covers some of the information in the article and removed 1911. -- PBS ( talk) 15:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC) |
In the section User talk:DivermanAU#EB1911 is no longer a mystery there has been a brief conversation about a mile stone on this project: all the EB1911 templates now include an article name. Thank you to all those who has contributed to this achievement. -- PBS ( talk) 09:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I've found over 200 articles using a reference for EB1911 to the now defunct website " http://encyclopedia.jrank.org". Some articles use the {{ cite encyclopedia}} template, others use {{ cite web}} or another method. I've been finding them using a search — insource:" http://encyclopedia.jrank.org" "1911"
There were 239 articles found with that search on 2 August 2019, now down to 209 at time of writing. I've been fixing up some recently including Polyp (zoology), Noah Webster, Kaffir (racial term), Hrotsvitha ... etc. So if you you feel like it, there's some Wikipedia articles that can edited to refer to the Wikisource article instead of the the dead jrank.org article.
There's also some more articles that refer to the dead jrank.org site for references other than EB1911 (search using —insource:" http://encyclopedia.jrank.org". I've used archive.org to find an archived copy for one or two of those articles, but been concentrating on the EB1911 ones.
@ PBS: @ DavidBrooks: @ Suslindisambiguator: @ Library Guy: @ Slowking4: @ Mike s: @ Jan.Kamenicek: — DivermanAU ( talk) 04:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi All,
Please have a look at my proposal and contribute with your opinions: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Connecting_Wikipedia_articles_to_reliable_sources_through_new_template
Thanks, Adam Harangozó ( talk) 14:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
As of writing this
Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference now has 9 entriesone entry (as of 18 March 2021). To remove them it will be necessary to copy edit the pages on Wikisource. Most of them are quite large articles and have tables, or images or foreign scripts or a combination of two or more of those, which makes it more difficult to create articles that are not so full of OCR errors that they they would be incomprehensible if transluded from the raw pages without additional editing.
If you have time please consider working on these before working on other EB1911 articles on Wikisource. Once this list is down to 0 it will be able to use the category to provide EB1911 articles that will be useful for Wikipedia. -- PBS ( talk) 15:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia article | EB1911 article name | location | notes |
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Psalms of Solomon | "Solomon, Psalms of", 25, pp. 365–366. | Vol 25:5 index, first OCR page | Done ![]() |
Temperature measurement | "Thermometry", 26, pp. 821–836. | Vol 26:9 index, first OCR page | Done ![]() |
Ural–Altaic languages | "Ural-Altaic", 27 pp. 784–786. | Vol 27:8 index, first OCR page | Done ![]() |
Water supply | "Water Supply", 28, pp. 387–409 | Vol 28:7 index, first OCR page | Done ![]() |
Weighing scale | "Weighing Machines", 28, pp. 468–477 | Vol 28:8 index, first OCR page |
User:Francois-Pier fixed this in October 2020![]() |
William Dent Priestman | "Oil Engine", 20, pp. 35-43 | Vol 20:1 inex, first OCR page | Done ![]() |
Worsted | "Wool, Worsted and Woollen Manufactures", 28, pp. 805–816 | Vol 28:13 index, first OCR page | Done ![]() |
As of today these remain and with the exception of "Ural-Altaic" (27, pp. 784–786) will take quite a lot of work to bring them up to ,or close to, proofread. It is very possible that other articles will be added to the category (for example "Midleton, William St. John Fremantle Brodrick, 1st Earl of" was added recently and once found in EB1922 it was relatively easy to create an article as it was a short article and the checking of the page had already been done. -- PBS ( talk) 13:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
As of this post Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference is empty. -- PBS ( talk) 18:35, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
As of this writing this post the following search
returns 371 pages which have a url link to EB1911 pages on Wikisource rather than using the template {{
cite EB1911}}
. So if you have a few spare minutes please spend it rewriting one of more of these citations to use the appropriate template. --
PBS (
talk) 17:34, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Done --
PBS (
talk) 18:36, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Remember Tim Starling's "ScanSet TIFF demo", now long gone? There were 22 links still mentioning it. I fixed 2 Pallas, although the relevance of the link is dubious. Here are the rest. I'm putting the fixes in my medium-priority bucket, but if you have spare time... David Brooks ( talk) 20:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)