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...but Baseball and American football are. See the removal here ( [1]) and the "debate" here Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles#Sport -- Dweller 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Surely a "vital articles" article is a complete breach of WP:NPOV. I would remove all the American sports, especially basketball, and include only sports that are played and supported worldwide. Where are motor sport and cycling? Boxing and horse racing should also be included. If they are going to include American sports then why haven't they included every other nation's sports? For example, why aren't Gaelic football or kabaddi there? Not American and so not vital, eh?
Why too have they got Wikipedia:Vital articles/Expanded? What on Earth is the point of all this? It is an exercise in POV and should be put in AfD. -- BlackJack | talk page 18:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
A certain User:Chidis has continually put borderline defamatory vandalism on these pages with unsourced stuff about racism, presenting them as fact. He has also been making other racist edits on other pages (mainly against Tamils) so I have blocked him, but I would like some more eyes on these pages in case he comes back with a sock army. Thanks, Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 02:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
While monitoring the second Peer Review of the great John Barton King, the suggestion was made for "a table of King's scores vs each team" and "a chart of his scores over a period of time." Charts, tables, and graphs are not my forté. Would anyone else be able to do something like that?-- Eva b d 01:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Batting [1] | Bowling [2] | |||||||||
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Opposition | Matches | Runs | Average | High Score | 50 / 100 | Runs | Wickets | Average | Best | 5I / 10M |
AM Wood's XI | 1 | 32 | 32 | 32 | 0 / 0 | - | - | - | - | 0 / 0 |
Australians | 7 | 133 | 12.09 | 45 | 0 / 0 | 615 | 41 | 15.00 | 5-22 | 5 / 0 |
BJT Bosanquet's XI | 2 | 22 | 5.50 | 9 | 0 / 0 | 267 | 23 | 11.50 | 8-78 | 3 / 1 |
Cambridge University | 2 | 74 | 18.50 | 53 | 1 / 0 | 303 | 13 | 23.30 | 5-136 | 1 / 0 |
Derbyshire | 1 | 14 | 14.00 | 14 | 0 / 0 | 116 | 12 | 9.66 | 7-28 | 2 / 1 |
F Mitchell's XI | 2 | 39 | 19.50 | 16 | 0 / 0 | 243 | 20 | 12.15 | 7-55 | 3 / 1 |
... | ... | ... | ... | ... | . / . | ... | ... | ... | ... | . / . |
Overall | 65 | 2134 | 20.51 | 113* | 1 / 8 | 6497 | 415 | 15.65 | 10-53 | 38 / 11 |
This Table Maker is a good page. You copy and paste your table into it, from word or notepad or whatever, and it generates an HTML table. Don't bother setting any of the parameters, you don't have to. You then copy that HTML and paste it onto your Wikipedia page putting something like this {| class="wikitable" width="60%" align="center" ! colspan=3| in front of it to make it a nice colour and set it out properly. I'm sure there's a much better way of doing it but it's what I worked out anyway and I put a couple of them on the England Cricket Team page and they look ok. Nick mallory 07:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
This information is all most helpful, gents. I've talked to the Great Maker of Charts and will get to the table today if I have time and Saturday if I don't. Thanks so much.-- Eva b d 14:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Both of the articles dabbed from aconite claim that that plant has been implicated in the death of Bob Woolmer (one of them twice). Does anyone know which is the real aconite? Stephen Turner ( Talk) 19:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Greetings All! I'recently done a relatively bold edit of the History of United States cricket article. I listed it on the main project page, but would love some input from other editors. Any help that can be offered is much appreciated. I'm planning on putting it up for general peer review in the next week or two, depending on project members' views.-- Eva b d 13:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there any difference between this and the inswinger? Gizza Chat © 11:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure? I've seen balls swing in (and out) before seaming. -- Dweller 15:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
It occurs to me that this may be a regional thing. Nichalp is in India. In England, I'm fairly sure "dip" = "swing", but perhaps on the subcontinent, there's a different usage. Perhaps some of our other subcontinental editors can contribute what they think. (And from other regions; could be other English editors will disagree with me) -- Dweller 15:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
There is some relevant discussion in the WT:CRIC archive, and outdipper had an AFD just over a year ago. To be honest, I have never heard of "dip" (in or out) as a form of swing before pitching (and, unlike Nichalp, I have never discussed the matter with Wasim :p). Some balls swing (in or out) before pitching, and some afterwards. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd understand an indipper as a yorker length delivery which swings in late, maybe with reverse swing, at the last moment. An inswinger goes much earlier with 'banana' swing from the hand. I've never heard 'outdipper' used as a term. 'Dip' in terms of a drop in flight is a term I've heard in connection with spinners - the good bowlers get it to 'dip' in flight so you can't get to the pitch of the ball. That's not 'indip', that's just 'dip' though. Wasim Akram used to swing the ball both ways at once at 90 mph so I guess he can call any delivery anything he wants. As for the ball that goes straight over the batsman's head for four wides (six wides?) I'm sure Saj Mahmood is working on that one in the nets right now with the full approval of Duncan Fletcher. Nick mallory 09:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to make a clearinghouse of Philadelphian articles for myself. You can reach it in my user space here. I've got a bunch of players listed that need articles made and a a list of overseas tours. Did I miss any Philadelphian tours–first-class or others?-- Eva b d 14:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
This young man has just achieved something pretty special. I wondered just how special. See his article and feel free to edit! -- Dweller 12:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
He's almost as good a bat as Jason Gillespie! 203.108.239.12 02:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Progress of Test cricket career run aggregates record and Progress of Test cricket career wicket taking record were started a few months ago by a user who appears to have abandoned them before completion. I'm not entirely convinced that they're notable. — Moondyne 05:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Why not put the successive record holders on the List of Test cricket records? Doing it by year is pointless really. This list is just a copy of the Howstat page and if no-one can be bothered finishing it then it should go. Nick mallory 06:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
This is linked from the 'England Cricket Team' page and it seems an important one to do. The originator of it did a good job on about half the decades and I'm going to fill in something for the others just to fill the blanks. If someone could have a look at it and add a few more points and details wherever they see fit that would be great. Nick mallory 08:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Sure, I'm not saying that it's even half done, but it's all a good start. It'll all change radically over time like everything else. I was just pointing out the fact that it seems quite an important page and it had some blanks in. I've written a bit of guff now to fill in the missing later decades anyway but anyone's additions would be a great bonus. As to what it's called, I'm just going by what the page is called now, it should England but I don't feel it's my place to change it. ` Nick mallory 10:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh my god, did you see the South Africa debacle? I may take up squash. There may not be too much more history to write about in the future if we keep playing like that. 124.183.228.151 00:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the article should be going into so much detail on individual series. I think it would be better to instead include links to The Ashes and to the articles that already exist on individual Test series (admittedly some of those are still stubs). We don't want too much duplication of material. JH ( talk page) 09:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I see your point but it's only a couple of lines on each series on the mid twentieth century decades I'm filling in, and I think it gives a useful overview. Someone new to the subject would go to the England Team page, then follow the link to the history page, then find something which interests them or is relevant to what they want and go to the series page in question, when they all exist I suppose. It would be easy to link them from this page. A quick summary just gives the result and a few names of outstanding performers really. If someone just wants a quick history of the whole thing then this page is good I think.
I haven't touched the longer stuff (e.g. up to the end of the Golden Age and then from 1990 to date) which was done before I looked at the page, that may be too long, I wouldn't like to judge. I'm just filling in the 1910 - 1980 stuff which hadn't really been covered at all, apart from Bodyline. If someone was a new fan, unlikely after South Africa last night, they might know nothing of England's history and this gives them a place to start. A read of this page and they'd have a pretty good idea of some major players, series and events. As I said, I didn't start this page, I'm just filling in the gaps. I'll leave it to the more experienced chaps here to hone it as they see fit in time. Nick mallory 09:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Ideally the dates e.g. 1934 or 1974/75 in the article could be linked to the article which goes through that tour or series in real detail. This history page just gives a brief into to the whole thing. Nick mallory 04:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phillip Hughes (cricketer) which raises an issue people here might like to consider. The player in question hasn't played a first-class or List A match. But he has captained his country at Under-19 level. Is that notable enough to satisfy WP:BIO#Special cases?
And for a follow-up question, what if he'd played at Under-19 level but not captained? Or captained at Under-17 level? Where do we draw the line here?
Stephen Turner ( Talk) 09:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Personally I'd draw the line at first class cricket. Every first class cricketer is in, and you have to be really notable - like a Collins or another record holder of the highest ever score or the inventor of something important - to get in otherwise. There has to be a clear line somewhere to end the debates and this seems the most obvious one. You could argue for anyone who's appeared in List A cricket too I suppose but Youth Players for me, even for their country, don't cut it. If he's any good he'll soon make his first class debut anyway. We can't defend every single cricketer, just stay firm over what matters, which is the first class game. If it's decided that we think national youth players ARE notable, I will of course change my mind and argue the same on the AfD! Nick mallory 09:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
They have to be first-class or the equivalent of first-class. Strictly speaking, "first-class cricket" did not begin until 1947. It is a nonsense term invented by jolly good chaps with three initials, a school tie and a sense of unreality. What we have to ask ourselves is whether a match is major or minor (e.g., Second XI, Minor Counties, inter-parish games). For example, a game between Hampshire (Hambledon) and All-England in 1772 is unquestionably major and certainly of a higher standard than anything involving university teams since 1947. Equally, a National League match in 2007 between Yorkshire and that lot over t'Pennines is also a major match (providing we win). But, neither of my two examples is "officially" a first-class match. The best guide on this is CricketArchive, which is itself guided by the Association of Cricket Statisticians and Historians. If a match is included on the CA database as a Test or first-class or major match; or if it is ODI or ListA or Twenty20; then it is a notable fixture and everyone in it is a notable player. Mr Hughes is not (yet) a notable player, in my opinion, but it does seem harsh as he is obviously a good player. -- BlackJack | talk page 22:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Has the US ever qualified for the World Cup? I was under the impression that they hadn't, but some has changed United States national cricket team twice to say that they made it in 2003. I thought I'd check here before getting too worked up about it. Thanks.-- Eva b d 01:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
That's what I thought. Thanks!-- Eva b d 14:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there an article about the cricketers killed in the First and Second world wars - and others? There's enough to make a good article - Percy Jeeves, Major Booth, Tibby Cotter, Hedley Verity etc - plus Frank Chester losing an arm of course. I'll do one tomorrow if no-one objects. Nick mallory 05:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough Stephen, I still think it's an interesting idea though, especially with the number killed in the first world war. If I can be bothered I'll give it a go, trying to emphasise the end of the golden age and lost generation bit. If I chuck in enough links and references and avoid the word 'list' I think I can do something which will pass muster. It strikes me that it's an angle worth looking at, it's something which someone might search wikipedia for, and has more purpose than just listing what all the captains died of. I think there's an attitude on wikipedia, dominated as it is by 22 year old American liberal arts students, which holds minor cartoon characters as more important than war heroes and it sticks in my craw sometimes. Nick mallory 10:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the suggestions, it's very useful info. As it seems to fit into the history of cricket section you already have I'll have a go at in tomorrow. I'd welcome anyone having a look at it and improving it of course when I'm done. Making it into 'cricket during the world wars' is a good idea as it gets around the useless list problem and allows me to use a bit of other stuff i've found out about that period. Nick mallory 08:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've done a piece on Cricket in the Great War. It covers a wider range than the 1915 to 1918 English cricket seasons so I don't think there's too much duplication there. There's info from various things which happened around the world and I don't think you could say these men died in an english cricket season, they died in the Great War. It was getting rather long so I might do the Second World War in another section. If anyone has any additions or suggestions then feel free to pitch in. It's linked to the cricket history section. Nick mallory 05:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I've done Cricket in World War Two now as well. Nick mallory 08:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Probably, I'll look it up JH. Thanks for the tips ALoan by the way, they were very useful. Nick mallory 09:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it was Lord Harris playing for Plum Warner's XI. I'll change it. Thanks for the heads up. Nick mallory 09:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
The main focus of my articles is the cricketers who died in each war, as I think that's something worth remembering and something people would search for, garnished with some of my usual interesting facts and a sprinkle of overview to overcome any objections that 'it's just a random list' re Stephen's warning above. They don't attempt to duplicate Blackjack's efforts to properly document the matches played in each season in each country so, like Blackjack says, there's no reason we can't have both. You might like to check out your section for England 1943, Blackjack, for a bit of vandalism someone left there by the way. Deaths from all countries are covered in as much detail as i have without just repeating player's records too much. As England was the country where cricket was most affected by the war it gets most of the coverage as the articles are about the wars' effect on cricket. The articles are pretty long already so any extra stuff about matches played should go into Blackjack's articles rather than these two, in my opinion. Nick mallory 10:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
To save doubling up and to keep a track of progress, I started a new page linked above. Please join in the fun. — Moondyne 16:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I left a note there saying I'm happy to help in a few days time Moondyne. Give me a category and i'll do it. Nick mallory 02:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
A guy named 12345ak has for the last 24 to 48 hrs been vandalising this page non stop, adding rubbish in and providing a link to his Ranjit Fernando hate site. Due to his frustration at me constantly getting rid of his vandalism he has sent me numerous threatening messages on my talk page. This morning I woke up to find that my last 30 odd contributions in this place has been reverted by this user and was greeted with another message implying that he would keep doing so until I stopped reverting his Ranjit Fernando vandalism. What is the best way of dealing with this? I think for a start the page in question should be protected but due to this guy reverting so many of my posts he may have enough to qualify past semi protection. All the evidence is in this users history so if a mod could block this guy he or she would be doing me a big favour because I am not too keen on waking up every morning and seeing that 30 of my fair and genuine contributions have been tampered with. — Crickettragic
In my continued quest to make Wikipedia a great resource for American cricket history, I've nominated this image of John Barton King as a featured picture. If anyone would like to make their voice heard on the issue, that can be done here. Thanks.-- Eva b d 21:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Did you know there are 3,682 of these things?
For illustration, I've decomposed the total as follows:
category | number | comments |
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Cricket biography stubs | 290 | mostly from ICC associate and affiliate countries |
Australian cricket biography stubs | 462 | . |
Bangladeshi cricket biography stubs | 84 | . |
Canadian cricket biography stubs | 74 | . |
English cricket biography stubs | 657 | . |
English international cricketer stubs | 355 | including many that are also in the previous category |
Indian cricket biography stubs | 238 | . |
Irish cricket biography stubs | 162 | . |
New Zealand cricket biography stubs | 301 | . |
Pakistani cricket biography stubs | 209 | . |
South African cricket biography stubs | 345 | . |
Sri Lankan cricket biography stubs | 138 | . |
West Indian cricket biography stubs | 280 | . |
Zimbabwean cricket biography stubs | 87 | . |
TOTAL | 3,682 | . |
This is very much an upward trend as there is surely a huge number of players from all countries who are still without articles. 19th century English players alone could be several hundred. Has anyone got any ideas about a concerted project approach towards improving substantial numbers of these articles up to start level at least so that they can be de-stubbed? -- BlackJack | talk page 10:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps we could all nominate a country and start going through their player pagers and removing stub status for those worthy. I've started looking at Zimbabwe and already found 17 articles listed as stubs which were not. ( Crickettragic)
I've noticed stubs in the past that aren't stubs. Could cricket bot be set to trawl cricket stubs and de-stub articles above a certain size? -- Dweller 09:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
It's a judgement call though isn't it? A hundred words on some obscure Victorian gentleman who played one match for Sussex might be all there is to know. If you had a hundred words on Ted Dexter, it would be the stubbiest of stubs. Nick mallory 10:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
What about this list? [2] Is this one up to date?
Looking at this article on Mike's father, it contains a fair amount of information, but almost none of it can be verified against the sources given. In particular, a comment that a person has Alzheimer's disease strikes me as something that really does need solid referencing. Can anyone help with that? Also, he's only a couple of months short of his 94th birthday. How does he stand with regard to the list of oldest living (English/overall) first-class cricketers? Loganberry ( Talk) 01:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to put in another "hey, why don't we do something about this?" rather than actually doing that something! But... for a long time now, county cricket has simply been a redirect to County Championship. This doesn't really strike me as very satisfactory, particularly when considering a) the days before the CC was established and b) recent years when one-day county cricket has become ever more important. I think we should have a separate "county cricket" article, with the CC itself a "see main article" from there. Loganberry ( Talk) 12:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I've created an article to go there. At the moment it's very much a summary of current county cricket. Please take a look and suggest/make improvements. It could also do with a history section, if someone could chip in with that. → Ollie ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi all. I am planning to nom User:The Rambling Man for adminship. My nascent nomination can be seen at User:Dweller/sandbox. As well as all of his other multifarious qualities and contributions, The Rambling Man has done a lot of quality work on cricket articles, including considerable input into three cricket FAs, notably Adam Gilchrist which he did most of the work on (check the article history).
Now, as you're probably aware, Kelly Martin has made a WikiProject nom a criterion for her support. I'm not too bothered about one !vote here or there, but I think it's a great idea to have a WikiProject endorsement of nomination, as it is a terrific way to demonstrate to other editors that there is a measure of trust and respect among a group of active editors.
I would be grateful for your comments as to whether you think that The Rambling Man's nomination deserves the endorsement of this WikiProject.
This is not a vote or a !vote, but an effort to find consensus.
Thanks! -- Dweller 15:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I would support him. He did a lot helpful and nice of work on the cricketers' articles and put a lot of effort in them in the recent FA push. I Wikiproject endorsements are fine. If the consensus of the project is in support then I think an endorsement should be done, noting how many members we have in the project and that the consensus of the current active member is to endorse the RFA. Anyways, even if we don't do that can you give a link where the RFA is, Dweller?-- THUG CHILD z 02:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I previously opposed the idea of WikiProject endorsements for RfA but just a couple of hours ago heard Jimbo and others discussing this issue at our meetup and I have changed my thoughts on the matter. One problem with the RfA process is the amount of drive-by support and opposes without any real knowledge of an candidate's credentials. If you don't know the candidate well and haven't directly interacted with him the reality is that you make a cursory glance at his user and user talk pages as well as some of his recent contributions. You may also be guided by what other !voters have to say (and they may be just piling on as well). Who better to give meaningful feedback that the community in which the candidate interacts on a day to day basis? Adminship is not a big deal and IMO we need many more than we currently have to deal with vandalism, linkspam, BLP issues etc etc. My 2cents. — Moondyne 03:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I think this conversation needs to develop more and I'm uncomfortable rushing it before it's done. My co-nom for TRM is also uncomfortable; in his case, with the concept. All in all therefore, I'm going to nominate without the WikiProject as a co-nom on this occasion. However, I think it would be useful, particularly in light of Moondyne's comments above, if we continued discussing. Cheers, -- Dweller 07:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Moondyne's comments made me understand better what problem this is trying to solve, but I'm still not convinced it's the right solution. I would like it to be mentioned here when one of our regulars is up for adminship, and I think it would be good for the rest of us to comment on the nomination with specific knowledge based on our personal experience. Maybe we could even be invited to co-nominate as individuals — is that possible? I think the actual problem is that RfAs are really just votes, with little if any weight given to how well the voter knows the candidate; but I'm not sure how to fix that. Stephen Turner ( Talk) 09:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Things seem to have slackened off a little. Is the West Indian cricket team still aiming for FAC any time soon? Indian cricket team is perhaps the best article on a Test team - is anyone thinking of polishing it further? And should bwe pick a player to concentrate on next? Inzamam-ul-Haq perhaps? And didn't Muttiah Muralitharan say that he would retire after the 2007 World Cup? Did he change his mind?
Are we going to try to get Adam Gilchrist on the Main Page for the final of the World Cup? I guess Harbhajan Singh and Paul Collingwood are off the table for the time being, unless we fancy giving them 27th and 31st birthday presents on 3 July and 26 May respectively? -- ALoan (Talk) 16:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Isn't there any other FA left other than players that we could put up for the final on the main page? If not, I guess Adam Gilchrist would be a good choice if they make it to the final. For the other two I think we should fancy their birthdays because their info will be little out of date later.-- THUG CHILD z 17:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
What about Brian Lara? One of the greatest batsmen of all time has just retired. It's amazing the bad press he's got, he's carried them single handed for a decade. Nick mallory 08:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Just so you know, Paul Collingwood is in the queue for Main Page FA on his birthday and the West Indian cricket team in England in 1988 is due for the first day of the 1st Test v England, both in May. -- Dweller 10:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to propose this as an AfD, as he doesn't seem to meet our criteria for notability. However the procedure for doing so seems rather complex, and I think I screwed up, so perhaps someone who understands these things could take it over? JH ( talk page) 19:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Currently trying to go through large amounts of articles and add {{WP Cricket}} to their talk pages. This post in the archives along with this one are particularly useful but there's no clarification as to what importance umpires have.
I'd recommending Elite Panel umpires as mid-high (depending on how many games they have officiated), then those on the International Panel of Umpires as low (bar any particularly special events related to them, not that I can think of any examples). Thoughts? AllynJ 23:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/The Rambling Man. Whichever way you choose to !vote, I would be glad if you would indicate your membership of this WikiProject. -- Dweller 16:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
What's the betting on Rashid winning a Test cap by the end of next summer? It's worth keeping an eye on his article for hagiography... it's already beginning to seep in. -- Dweller 14:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Godleman has just made his fifth consecutive 50 from debut in first class cricket (now 50* v Derbyshire - no mean feat, he came in at 97-4, so not exactly an easy wicket to bat on / poor bowling). Does anyone know what the record is for consecutive 50s from debut? -- Dweller 15:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Some things need to be updated, like Lara's retirement and the current squad needs to be updated, I can't do it at the moment, sorry! and the Middlesex article needs a "current squad" section Speedboy Salesman 14:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Would this be a worthwhile category? — Moondyne 16:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I've put a few more names in List of international cricketers called for throwing of Test players called in any first-class match. I'll try to make it into a table at some stage. Unless someone else gets there first. Johnlp 21:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
What about cricketers who were no balled for bowling overarm when only round arm bowling was allowed? I remember an incident when I was doing the Yorkshire player list, when the captain led his team off the field over the incident. This is an interesting article about the development of the law and the biomechanics of it. [4] Nick mallory 05:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I was perusing wicket-keeping (blame today's FA), and found we have a category called Category: cricket skills (or something like that). For some reason, it has seven single-article subcategories. I would suggest these articles get categorised as cricket articles, and as cricket skills article. I don't think it helps much to say "Wicket-keeping" is within a category of articles about wicket-keeping. Not even wicket-keepers fit in there. 60.226.133.172 12:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
What are going to put in the news for the day of the final? Is it going to be something like the cricket world cup final is currently be playing between Sri Lanka and South Africa and than changed to the winner of the cricket world cup is South Africa. The man of the tournament is Mr. bla bla. Or are we going to wait till we have a winner? Also can we get someone to write a quick paragraph for the final right after it ends?-- THUG CHILD z 06:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Are they really free usage images? Wow. -- Dweller 08:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Can an admin put one of the pictures in, in the ITN?-- THUG CHILD z 02:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Since the concept of FAs for important people was brought up, I noted that Australian Cricket Hall of Fame, Wisden Cricketers of the Century and ESPN Legends of Cricket might give a useful idicator. Granted, ESPN might be taken as a joke for some, but it is a useful rough guide anyway. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
THe ESPN top fifty isn't too bad. Didn't Don Bradman pick a best ever XI? He knew a thing or two I'm told. Nick mallory 10:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
All Time World XI
1. Arthur Morris 2. Barry Richards 3. Don Bradman 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Garry Sobers 6. Don Tallon (revised to include Adam Gilchrist) 7. Ray Lindwall 8. Dennis Lillee 9. Alec Bedser 10. Bill O'Reilly 11. Clarie Grimmett 12th man. Wally Hammond
Australia 1. Arthur Morris 2. Bill Ponsford 3. Don Bradman 4. Neil Harvey 5. Charlie Macartney 6. Keith Miller 7. Don Tallon (revised to include Adam Gilchrist) 8. Ray Lindwall 9. Dennis Lillee 10. Bill O'Reilly 11. Clarrie Grimmett 12. Richie Benaud
England 1. Jack Hobbs 2. Len Hutton 3. Denis Compton 4. Peter May 5. Wally Hammond 6. WG Grace 7. Godfrey Evans 8. Fred Trueman 9. Alec Bedser 10. SF Barnes 11. Hedley Verity 12. Ian Botham
I created Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Key biographies. Wondering if any other countries had halls of fame, etc, to add to it. It might be a useful thing to keep track of. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The problem with lists and halls of fame is that they're always biased to the present. Maybe the top 10 run scorers and wicket takers in history should be in, if they're not already - people like Frank Woolley, Patsy Hendren, Tom Hayward, Tich Freeman Jack Hearne etc. Trumper and Ranji as well just for sheer style. Nick mallory 08:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I didn't write the most over the top stuff in the Sutcliffe biography, that was there before! Nick mallory 13:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Nick Mallory sums up the whole concept perfectly with the words "always biased to the present". Quite right and especially where several over-rated recent England players are concerned. To do this properly, you must first accept that you cannot put a limit on the number of great players and that there have always been great players. Thomas Waymark and Richard Newland were just as great as Ricky Ponting and Adam Gilchrist. The only great players who have been more than great are WG Grace and Don Bradman. You can put those two on a pedestal and otherwise you have a long chronological list that begins with William Bedle and ends with Glenn McGrath or Brian Lara, who are the two latest retirees among the great players. -- GeorgeWilliams 07:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)