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Happy-melon has moved the project banner, see [1]. I can't see any immediate problem with this although there are 10,000 articles with the banner, so if there is a mess-up it will be a major one. On the other hand, I don't understand why this editor didn't have the courtesy to tell the project about it before he made the change, just in case there was a problem.
NB It's not the first time. Happy-melon was also involved in the change to the sound files reported to ANI last month: see Broken_formatting etc and our archive Discussion about use of audio etc.. -- Klein zach 08:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks. — Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:58, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)
I hope that an objective administrator/editor without vested interest in the guitar could please help resolve an adit war in which I (as an authority on the topic) am being attacked by an administrator who does not seem intent on the truth, but more on a personal grudge...
According to WP:LINKSTOAVOID article 2: "Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research" cannot be included in wikipedia. Andrewa has purposefully breached this policy in his continuing personal vendetta against me. Here is the proof:
After repeatedly being warned by myself against the misleading and factually inaccurate material presented on an external webpage Janet Marlow's site admin Andrewa still intentionally linked to this misinformative page in the following edit:
Andrewa has since made the statement: "there is no misinformation on the particular page to which I linked. Both sides are describing the same eight notes being provided by the same four resonant strings. Whether that is four "resonances" or eight is a non-issue." [ [3]]
Not only is Andrewa mistaken in claiming that there is no misinformation on the page, or that the two sides in the argument are describing the same thing, he has clearly been abusing his status as an administrator. Let us first consider the contents of this argument:
The page to which Andrewa linked makes the following claims:
"Therefore, there are four missing sympathetic resonances on the six string guitar. If you play a C, Bb, Ab, and Gb on the first string E, there will be less sustain from these notes than the others because there are no sympathetic resonant strings. This was Maestro Yepes’ primary reason for conceiving the ten-string guitar. By adding these pitches in four extra bass strings, now provides each half step with the sympathetic resonance making a more physically completed instrument." (Janet Marlow Janet Marlow's site)
Now, in western classical music there are 12 notes in the octave: C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B. If it is claimed (as above) that four of these notes lack resonances, then logically/mathematically, this means that the other eight out of the twelve do not lack resonances. Marlow lists the four missing resonances as C, Bb (=A#), Ab (=G#), and Gb (=F#) and states that "there will be less sustain from these notes than the others". Any person who is a competent speaker of the English language will understand this as meaning that these four listed notes have more sustain (more resonance) than the other notes, the "other notes" being C#, D, D#, E, F, G, A, B. In other words, Marlow is claiming four notes don't have resonance and eight do.
However, Narciso Yepes (who invented the modern 10-string guitar) always, ubiquitously and verifiably talked about eight missing sympathetic resonances on the guitar, not four as claimed by Marlow. Yepes lists the eight missing resonances as C, C# (=Db), D# (=Eb), F, F# (=Gb), G, G# (=Ab), A# (=Bb). He lists the other four notes that do have resonance as D, A, E, and B. Yepes's quotes from numerous articles/interviews can be read here [4] with references to follow them up. There is also further information on my site www.tenstringguitar.INFO about the resonance, the science behind Yepes's statements.
Janet Marlow (and Andrewa) are clearly, in fact, not saying the same thing as Narciso Yepes (and Viktor van Niekerk). Both sides are certainly not "describing the same eight notes being provided by the same four resonant strings", as Andrewa is falsely claiming. If they were describing the same thing, Marlow would have to speak of eight missing resonances (C, Db, Eb, F, Gb, G, Ab, Bb) not only four (C, Bb, Ab, Gb).
Andrewa only goes on to claim that "Whether that is four "resonances" or eight is a non-issue" [ [5]] because to admit the truth - that it is very much an issue and a source of misinformation - would reveal his involvement in not only deliberately promoting misinformation on wikipedia (going against WP:LINKSTOAVOID article 2), but also misusing his status as an administrator to abuse me in his ongoing personal vendetta over an edit disagreement. This defamatory conduct includes, but is hardly limited to his claim [ [6]] that Janet Marlow "is a more authoritative figure than Viktor", despite the fact that Marlow has been proven to publish misinformation while my website www.tenstringguitar.INFO is presently the only online resource that faithfully represents Narciso Yepes's statements about his invention as well as a scholarly explanation of the science informing those statements.
Viktor van Niekerk tenstringguitar.INFO Viktor van Niekerk ( talk) 06:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC) Viktor van Niekerk ( talk) 08:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Re: links to my own website for evidence: I do so simply because my website lists numerous articles and interviews published in reputable books/journals and these contain verifiable evidence of Narciso Yepes's statements, including that the 6-string guitar lacks eight resonances, which his 10-string guitar's tunign adds. The admin who has been waging a personal vendetta against me has again on 8 March defended his support of links to misinformation, pages that contain verifiably incorrect information, like claiming that Yepes heard that the guitar lacked four (not eight) resonances. I will follow your recommendations. Thank you. It is just that I am not au fait with the ins and outs of wikipedia red-tape, while the administrator is. I feel that he has been abusing his status and know-how of wikipedia policy to get his way in something that is nothing more than a personal grudge against a more authoritative editor. For example, he has accused me of sock-puppetry, simply because it sometimes appears (incorrectly) that I am signed in because I haven't refreshed my browser. He has also on 15 March accused me of attacking him. It is quite the contrary since he is the one involved in making defamatory statements about my authority on the subject of the 10-string guitar, while I am defending certain historical/scientific truths as well as wikipedia's policy on linking to misinformation by objecting to his continuing desire to link to a page that contains proven misinformation. Viktor van Niekerk ( talk) 06:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The argument between myself and Andrewa is simple. He is essentially claiming that 4=8, which is of course absurd. Naturally, he will deny this, but this is what is implied by his support of [7] which he had posted on the Ten-string extended-range classical guitar page until I removed it. He has repeatedly claimed on wikipedia and elsewhere that there is no misinformation on this page, but there is, and he knows it because I've discussed this with him in quite some detail. The link claims that the six string guitar lacks four resonances (C, Bb, Ab, Gb) that have less sustain than the other notes that do not have this resonance. That is under a discussion of the Narciso Yepes 10-string guitar. However, Narciso Yepes ubiquitously (in verifiable articles listed here (bottom of page) speaks of eight (not four) resonances that are missing on the 6-string guitar. As editor DavidRF (above) very accurately points out (thank you!) temperament of the fingerboard means that only octaves and fifths resonate. So Yepes added 4 strings to the guitar tuned C, A#, G#, F# because these add the EIGHT missign resonances (the octaves and fifths): C and G, A# and F, G# and D#, F# and C#. Andrewa has, however claimed Talk:Ten-string_extended-range_classical_guitar#Wikispam that the link he has been supporting (i.e. this one contains no misinformation, that it says the same thing as Yepes (that there are EIGHT missing resonances on the 6-string guitar), and that it makes no difference whether one says "four" or "eight". Now, for pointing this out I am being accused of attacking Andrewa on various pages of wikipedia, despite the very clear fact that I am the one upholding truth/factual information while Andrewa defends misinformation and makes false allegations against me. (For the contents pertaining to this argument, please see www.tenstringguitar.INFO and its "Resonance" page, which contains the correct information as per Narciso Yepes's statemetns and the laws of physics). Viktor van Niekerk ( talk) 04:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Plase note that the allegations of "harrassment" made by Andrewa are false and it is not the first time he has made false allegations against me. (See this false allegation made against www.tenstringguitar.info here [8]. (The link is relevant, does not simply promote a site, and does not link to a discussion group, myspace or facebook - even though that is what it is accused of.)
The fact is, I repeatedly made Andrewa aware of misinformation he was linking to (for example, here on a yahoo forum on 25 February [9] and here we have Andrewa responding [10]). Proof that he was aware of the misinformation. So there is no reason to justify good faith or entertain the notion that he is simply unaware of the factually inaccurate link he posted here [11] (in the References, at the bottom), then never removed, and then defended as containing no inaccuracies on 2 March, here [12].
Since we have proven that there was no reason for good faith, no reason to assume the defence of misinformation was unintentional, there is also no justification in calling it an "attack", "harrassment" or "bullying" that I have called for other editors to oversee his conduct and note the multiple breaches of policy. (I'm not au fait enough with wikipedia to be able to list them like Andrewa does, but I'm sure the claims of harrassment and breach of policy can be equally reversed in the other direction.) Viktor van Niekerk ( talk) 11:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is the right place to raise this (if not could someone point me to it): There's a discussion, which has reached stalemate, about whether this album should be considered a David Bowie album or not. If you wish to add your thoughts, you can do so here. -- JD554 ( talk) 14:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
A new editor has joined the project, User talk:Trumpetrep, who is interested in making good-faith additiosn to the information that wikipedia has about the trumpet repertoire. Trying to get an area set up, there's been some initial hiccups due to procedural confusion (e.g. empty pages and categories get deleted). We have a couple of questions for the group so we can get the details out of the way and make it easy to add items to the list.
I wonder how many of us are familiar with the List of classical music styles? Is it viable? Useful? Should it be renamed? What do people think? Best. -- Klein zach 23:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)