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You may have noticed I've been using
Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to edit the formatting of references on thousands of Korea-related articles. I wrote a custom find+replace script to do this.
Scope:
Author names
Removes some spurious first/last names (dates/timestamps in names, or the names of newspapers instead of people)
Splits entire Hangul names squeezed into the last= into last=... |first=
Currently when the entire name is squeezed into author=, I leave this alone.
Removes the term "기자" ("reporter") from first/last/author params.
Publication names
Fixes some typos or spelling variations
Links to Wikipedia article if it exists
Currently includes many Korean publications, publishers, and organizations (government and private), as well as major Japanese newspapers
Titles of articles
Removes some unnecessary artifacts in titles, namely repeating the name of the publication.
Language tag: fixes language=kr to language=ko. "KR" corresponds to
Kanuri language, not Korean.
Sorry for editing some pages several times with this script; I'm still actively developing it (I tweak the script every few pages basically), so it's changed greatly since I first started running it.
Please let me know ASAP if you disagree with any edits or spot any mistakes. I tried to make the features uncontroversial. While AWB is semi-automatic (I look at and manually approve every edit), I may still occasionally overlook things. I've gone back and manually fixed things when I misclicked.
toobigtokale (
talk) 03:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Also, if you'd like to request that I run the script on any page/pages, please let me know. I may not get to running this on every single Korea-related page (I currently discover the pages by recursively searching categories), but I try to prioritize major pages first.
toobigtokale (
talk) 03:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Toobigtokale Almost a week since you started this your
WP:COSMETICBOT/
WP:MEATBOT edits via AWB, will this ever be completed as I see no end to this given that instead of running once per articles, you have been running your COSMETICBOT/MEATBOT twice on certain articles (to cherrypick few examples out of more than 100:
Red Velvet,
Pentagon,
Shinee,
Nam Ji-hyun,
Park Gyu-ri) and even ridiculously 5 times on
Ok Taec-yeon. Clearly doing a fuzzy search category by category is not working. In addition, I also noted that you have been adding additional rule to your COSMETICBOT/MEATBOT instead of having a clear fixed scope which should have been the case prior to starting the first edit. —Paper9oll(
🔔 •
📝) 19:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Appreciate the feedback. You're definitely right that there is a scope creep problem; I've been getting greedy with fixing more and more things over time. It does need to stop at some point; I'll look into finding a way to run this once more on every page on WikiProject Korea then give it a rest. Maybe I'll rerun it periodically on new articles, but that's it.
While some of these changes are purely cosmetic, linking Wikipedia articles for publication names (which was my original purpose before scope creep) I'd argue is helpful. I started doing this because I've had several different discussions on Wiki where someone questioned the reliability of a major South Korean newspaper because they didn't recognize it; I'm hoping this contributes to transparency when people look at sources. Furthermore, I've also noticed several cases where unreliable sources are frequently being used on Wikipedia that are harder to spot (particularly
OhmyNews). And for controversial topics I think having the links handy for easily scrutinizing sources is nice.
Again, I'll start dialing it back. Thanks for calling me out; I don't want to be disruptive, only helpful.
toobigtokale (
talk) 19:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Toobigtokale Thanks for the speedy reply. May I have an estimated timeline when "I'll look into finding a way to run this once more on every page on WikiProject Korea then give it a rest" would be completed, end of this week i.e. 10 March 2024. —Paper9oll(
🔔 •
📝) 19:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah I think 10 March 2024 is reasonable. I'll start looking into getting that running. There's around 50k articles in WPK, so I'll need a few days to get through that stack probably.
toobigtokale (
talk) 19:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks, will take a look soon.
toobigtokale (
talk) 20:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I think I got almost all of both cases. Please let me know if you get more ideas for things to fix.
toobigtokale (
talk) 07:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The 성규환 example is an interesting one; I've seen its format around but haven't yet taken a deep look at it yet. It follows this pattern of |last=[some email address] |first=[name and usually some misc text]. I have to think through how to write a regex for it. I've noticed it maybe 10-20 times over all of my edits. If you can help me with writing a regex for it I'd appreciate it; otherwise I may get to it later, as it's a little infrequent.
toobigtokale (
talk) 03:17, 2 March 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Paper9oll, @
Remsense and others, I've finished a bit ahead of schedule. There are actually around 33k articles on WPK, although my script only made changes on around half of them (many are too small or uncited). I still kept making additions while running the script, so some earlier pages (alphabetically sorted) don't have my later ones, but those are mostly cosmetic or minor changes. But I'll wait at least a year (lmk if I should wait longer) until I rerun this on any significant scale.
You may see me still running AWB, although I'll either be:
Running it for a different primary purpose, although this script's features are general so I may still run it anyway
Running it for a new page or a page that's since changed significantly
Future:
Fixing mistakes. I'll be looking out for them, but if you ever spot any, please ping me and I'll be happy to fix it.
One particular culprit is mixing up
The Korea Times vs.
The Korea Times (Los Angeles). I may run through "what links here" articles for both of these and fix everything up in near future.
There's still some unrelated AWB tasks for Korea-related pages that could be run. For example, as Remsense pointed out here (
User talk:Toobigtokale#AWB to tag CJK text) automatically wrapping Korean text, perhaps by using
Template:Korean (benefits of this explained on template page). However, to my understanding the impact of this is minor; won't make a significant impact on how almost all users will see pages.
I'm unlikely to do large-scale edits like this in the near future though.
Thanks for the feedback all. Hopefully these changes are helpful.
toobigtokale (
talk) 02:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Also to the IP user; I really think you should just make an account. I see you've been manually making dozens of changes that'd be easy to do with AWB, and AWB requires an account with adequate reputation. You'd be great with the program. You wouldn't have to stick with your account long term; just gain enough reputation to earn AWB privileges (I'm happy to vouch for you) and just use the account for AWB.
My understanding of
WP:SOCKPUPPET tells me that if you want to edit on controversial topics, you're free to log out of your account and do so. As long as you're constructive while logged out and do not pretend to be multiple people to create the illusion of consensus, that wouldn't be considered sockpuppeting.
toobigtokale (
talk) 02:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Well, I originally didn't plan (and still am not planning) to stay here long. I appreciate your recommendation, but still not sure about that.
172.56.232.215 (
talk) 07:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Page moves by Spacestationtrustfund
I recently noticed that Spacestationtrustfund
moved lots of pages in 2022. Since article titles are supposed to follow whatever is common in English, it looks like these moves need to be reviewed.
172.56.232.225 (
talk) 15:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)reply
When you plug
Encyclopedia of Korean Culture links into VisualEditor's automatic citation generator, you should now get more fleshed out references. I wrote a script last year for this, and it's finally been merged into Wikipedia.
toobigtokale (
talk) 11:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)reply
This discussion still needs one or two more participants. Please help out. @
Piotrus can you give some input?
toobigtokale (
talk) 22:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I've become a little skeptical of using and encouraging the use of
Template:Expand Korean and similar. As respectfully as possible (there are many good editors fighting against the tide), the Korean Wikipedia has a systemic issue with poor sourcing; possibly influenced by
Namuwiki. I think it can be nice to look at for ideas or book/source recommendations, but encouraging people to translate it I think brings their issues over to the English Wikipedia.
toobigtokale (
talk) 06:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I tell my students to find references for uncited content before translating. Overall I don't see a problem - if someone translates unreferenced content we feel is iffy, it can be removed per
WP:V. But some content there is well referenced. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 22:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Definitely sympathetic to your points; wanted to record my doubt for others to see, as well as to spark any discourse. I will say most people won't be as careful/nuanced as you are with your instructions to your students. As we speak I'm on the front lines of cleaning up a lot of unsourced information that was often ported over from the kowiki 😅. It's a lot of work that I'd rather people didn't create more of.
toobigtokale (
talk) 23:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Frankly, I am more concerned about improperly referenced content. I fear many people - including my students - are adding references that do not fully back up the text they are attached too. Cleaning up unreferenced content is only the tip of the iceberg :( Frankly, after 20 years here, I believe that unless the article is GA+ or has been written primarily by an experienced trustworthy editor, much of the content that appears referenced probably isn't :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 02:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I've noticed that in many infoboxes for Korean monarchs, their name is written in Hangul/Hanja as "[State] [Name]", for example "고려 성종" ("
Goryeo Seongjong").
But I've never really seen a similar naming pattern used in Korean to describe kings like this. For example, the string "고려 성종" does not appear a single time on
ko:성종 (고려).
I feel like this may have been artificially done to match the English naming pattern ("[Name] of [State]"), but I feel like this gives misleading emphasis on the use of this kind of naming pattern in Korean.
Does anyone know about this? I don't have much background in pre-modern Korean history. If there's consensus that this is unusual, I may propose going through using
Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser to automatically redo every infobox to remove this kind of pattern.
toobigtokale (
talk) 07:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm a month or two late for the holiday, but rewrote this article. It's still far from solid, but I think unquestionably better than it
previously was. I'll keep working on it over time; there's still so much information that's missing or things that need improvement. If anyone can upload more photos of the event, particularly ones good for the infobox, that'd be appreciated (I can't as an IP user).
104.232.119.107 (
talk) 06:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Invitation to the 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest
Hello, everyone! I'd like to invite you all to sign up for the upcoming
2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. The event runs from July 1 to September 30 and signups close on July 15. The WikiContest focuses on developing countries, which they have included North Korea within. The intention is to improve the English Wikipedia's coverage and comprehension of articles related to developing countries. For this reason, you may also expect that articles related to the North Korea may be heavily edited during the contest. More information on how points will be awarded can be found at
Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring. For comments or suggestions, please don't hesitate to reach out to
Wikipedia talk:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. Thank you! (Copied with the permission of
Chlod)
CMD (
talk) 12:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
So for example for Europe it could be something like
Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists (
88 additions). This doesn't cover the individual performances and the articles often don't mention the exact dates and venues; the list article also had more references than the individual articles. Many more tours touched the USA or Canada and could go under equivalent categories under
Category:Concert tours of North America.
Nemo 16:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Those categories could be useful if the tours are notable enough to have their own article, but putting the articles about the artists (not the tours) into those categories doesn't make sense because they are people/groups, not tours.
Gottagotospace (
talk) 19:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I understand the concern, hence I only added the category to articles where the tour was mentioned explicitly. As for the naming of the categories, I think that's minor aspect which can be fixed.
A traditional way to handle it is to have a redirect from the tour name to the main article, and add the category to the redirect. The advantage of this method is that it's possible to redirect to a specific section of the main article, but it still feels a bit clunky to me.
I saw you made some categories called "South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in [insert year]", which does at least solve the "people/groups aren't tours" problem. However, I think that adding categories like that to an artist's page is overdoing it. In my opinion, pages already tend to have too many categories, and a piece of information about the fact that they went on tour in Europe in [insert year] doesn't need to be put in a category, especially because some K-pop artists go to Europe super often and then they'll end up with like 10 categories about their European concerts on the artist's page. If the tour is notable enough to have its own article, then I support having the page for the tour be in a category about K-pop concert tours in Europe in a certain year, but otherwise I think it's kind of silly.
The points made by some of the editors in
the deletion discussion for List of K-pop concerts held outside Asia are factoring into my opinion as well. In particular, a couple people made points that K-pop has become so popular and global now that tons of K-pop groups perform outside of Asia, and do so relatively frequently. So the fact that they're having concerts in Europe is not particularly notable.
Gottagotospace (
talk) 19:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Mental health in South Korea is in significant need of expansion. I just gave it a revision to combine redundant info and regroup/reorder topics, but it's still relatively sparse. If you can help out, please do; it's one of the towering issues that South Korea is struggling to manage. With Wikipedia we can really spread awareness about significant societal issues.
104.232.119.107 (
talk) 05:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply