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Of ongoing contention is whether Sun Yat-sen qualifies as a farc. If I don't receive further objections at Wikipedia talk:Featured article removal candidates/Sun Yat-sen, then I plan to relist the article in a day or two. (This is a call for input.) -- Ji ang 07:22, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
It's inappropriate to list an article for removal so soon after it was promoted. The removal advocate should be encouraged to just go to the article and make the necessary changes directly -- s/he is apparently willing to exert substantial effort to knock down someone else's work, but not to exert similar effort to improve an acclaimed article. This is unseemly. -- FOo 03:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
It is not in the spirit of Wikipedia to threaten to do stuff like this. As I said on the FARC page, the issues you raise should be addressed. My concern (and the concern of others) if that you are doing a FARC too soon and haven't tried to raise these issues on the article itself. If a goodwill attempt was made to do this AND then it was ignored, I would vote to remove the article. Until then, I object to this abuse of the FARC process.-- Alabamaboy 12:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
At Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/FAs first, I am trying to set up a system to ensure that featured articles are regularly reviewed. Have a look at what I've come up with there. It's a list of featured articles with links to the revision that was current when it was promoted and a diff with the present-day version. If changes are significant, they could be placed on a sister page Wikipedia:Featured article review to be approved (hopefully). Suggestions? Is anyone interested in working on this? Tuf-Kat 08:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I think it would become useful if it was standard practice if candidates were given a diff of the version when they became originally featured and their present state (at least the state at nomination). If that is compared with the nomination discussion I htink it can would help see what arguments were made when it became nominated and allow us a comparison. gren グレン 09:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I've really liked what I've seen at
Wikipedia:Featured article review and think that we should add a requirement that before an article comes to FARC, it should go through the FA review. This will integrate the FARC and review pages and make them complement each other. In addition, I also think there should be a guideline that any article that comes to FARC should have the issues with that article raised at least a few weeks prior to the FARC listing on that article's talk page. To me, this both gives the article's editors time to try and correct the issues leading to a FA removal and is also respectful so that the article's editors have time to respond to the issues. I also think this would streamline the FARC process b/c if the article's editors ignore any concerns raised, then there's not much they can say in the article's defense. Comments?--
Alabamaboy 14:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Blatant Hollywood starlet's exercise in self-promotion (or fanzine hagiography). Not sure which it is at this stage -- probably a bit of both -- but it sure isn't encyclopedic.
Who, beyond the article's prime mover, is actually willing to maintain that this was an appropriate selection for the main page? Nobody now seems to want to take responsibility for that decision, or for the vanity-press move of running the article on the actress's birthday. Presumably she was logging on eagerly at home at the stroke of midnight. See the dispute on the article's talk page and at User talk:Raul654. BYT 15:12, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Not sure if this is proper reason for defeaturing, but according to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sicilian Baroque it was promoted with 3 supports... and 4 objections? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I raised this issue before and then decided to wait for the Wikipedia:Featured article review to become more established. I now feel it is. I believe the FARC guidelines should state, "Before placing an article on FARC, editors should first either raise the issues with the article on the Wikipedia:Featured article review page or on the article's talk page."
I feel this language is loose enough that people can still bring bad articles to the FARC but it also gets them to raise issues elsewhere (and let the article authors try to fix the article) before bring it to a FARC vote. Comments?-- Alabamaboy 14:41, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I think adding the template to the articles talk page is sufficient and decentralising the process would not be beneficial. For example I commented on deficiences in the Christmas article on the talk page at least a week before it got moved to FARC- and noone seemed to notice, FAs not being maintained by an interested party makes the suggested change rather useless. I also an't see the immediate benefit of requiring an article goes through FAR before FARC - since it would seem to duplicate the process.-- nixie 16:50, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
No, this is a terrible idea on many levels. Raul654 17:58, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I have set my sights on several articles from our history section that seem to indicate they are about a former state, but are in fact about history of a country. This distinction may seem superficial at the first glance, but it is not. Consider: History of Poland (1945–1989) (a FA) vs. People's Republic of Poland (a former state article), or History of Poland (1569-1795) vs. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (a former state FA)). Other good FAs we have that are 'diminished' by several confusing articles are Indo-Greek Kingdom and all of our 'history of...' articles. Now, the articles which I think should be renamed are Congo Free State ( Talk:Congo_Free_State#Rename) and Habsburg Spain ( Talk:Habsburg_Spain#Rename), both which have a former state name but are in fact purely 'history of...' articles. A name change is not a valid enough subject for FARC, so as far as those two I am just letting you know about the need for their renaming, but unfortunately we have two other articles which are currently a confusing mix between a former state and history of articles, and that need not only to be renamed but rewritten to keep up with our current standards (both are old - one from 2004, other from brilliant prose days). Those two 'black sheep's are Old Swiss Confederacy ( Talk:Old_Swiss_Confederacy#Rewrite.2C_move_or_de-FA) and Byzantine Empire ( Talk:Byzantine Empire). If they are not rescued in the coming days, I'll put them on FARC for the above reasons. Comments?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:41, 2 February 2006 (UTC)