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What has Wat got in his hand? (17th Century portraiture)
What has Wat Ralegh (son of
Walter Ralegh), got in his right hand in this picture?
DuncanHill (
talk) 01:14, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
They're also both dated 1602, so glove it is. - Nunh-huh 02:43, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
The thing is, if it is a glove, is it one of his father's? The colour matches his father's jacket, not Wat's. Would their perhaps have been some symbolism to a son carrying his father's gloves?
DuncanHill (
talk) 02:53, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
It doesn't seem like a terribly allegorical painting to me, so I wouldn't look for any deeper meaning. I know YMMD. The glove is closer in color to WR père, but it doesn't really match the outfit of père or fils. I'd sooner ponder the question of 'who has the other glove?' - Nunh-huh 03:16, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
He might be holding a pair of gloves, but who knows?
Alansplodge (
talk) 08:49, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Wat (born 1593) looks here like a 9 years old alright, and a pretty frail one too. Does anyone know what happened to him? He must have died young, as it was his younger brother, Carew, who inherited his father's titles. ContactBasemetalhere 17:52, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
According to
this source Wat lived until 1618, when he was killed in an engagement with the Spanish in the Guianas with his father (which engagement proved to also be the cause of his father's execution). DwpaulTalk 18:00, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
My immediate thought on seeing the picture is that it reminds me of a strap with a "blind" spur. This would be consistent with Walter Raleigh being a knight (he was knighted in 1585, I think) and his son therefore being his
esquire (the boy who carries his armour and his spurs - the right to bear spurs was of particular significance in Devon). This would be consistent with the formal nature of the portrait. Unfortunately, I'm not an expert, so this is simply an observation as a "fresh pair of eyes".
RomanSpa (
talk) 16:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)reply
fictional scarecrow
I remember that when I was seven years old, there was a book about a scarecrow who had friends, especially with a human girl and they go to different places around the world like India. Does anybody remember that story or that particular character? — Preceding
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70.29.35.69 (
talk) 03:03, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
'Go to different places around the world like India'? India doesn't travel to other countries, or do you mean he travelled to countries similar to India? KägeTorä - (影虎) (
もしもし!) 16:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Sounds very much like the Oz series of books, although they don't actually go to India (but may have gone to a place that resembles it, in the fictional land of Oz). You're probably familiar with The Wizard of Oz, but there are many other books in that series. Depending on the book, the girl could be Dorothy or perhaps
Princess Ozma.
Here's an example of some of the Oz characters in an "India-like" place (actually Arab, but probably close enough for a 7 year old):
[1].
StuRat (
talk) 03:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
My search turned up
this series of educational books for young readers (which fits with you being seven years old) featuring Trek the scarecrow and his journeys around the world - one of which is to India.
Here is a PDF copy of Trek Learns to Fly that might spark your memory.
MarnetteD|
Talk 03:56, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply