NYSE, New York City

Reason

A technically good picture, which is nice to look at and illustrates its main subject as best as it can.

Articles this image appears in

New York City, NYSE, American Flag

Creator

Massimo Catarinella

• Support as nominator -- Massimo Catarinella ( talk) 20:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC) reply
• Support We definitely need a strong image of the NYSE. My biggest gripe is the blurred flag in the middle. If you had a version that was not blurred, that'd be great, but otherwise I still think the strengths of the picture outweigh that fault. I also wondered if the columns (blue especially) are vertical, but I think maybe the lighting equipment takes up enough space that it makes the column seem to bow outward... not sure. Still though, I think this is a difficult building to shoot, despite its high encyclopedic value, and you've done a good job. I'll be curious to see how much others are bothered by the flag. Fletcher ( talk) 22:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I've checked the other pictures of the NYSE I took. They all have blurred flags in them. Not very surprising though, since a storm had just passed Manhattan. -- Massimo Catarinella ( talk) 00:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

• Support per Fletcher. The flag is annoying but not a deal breaker.-- HereToHelp ^{( talk to me)} 22:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC) reply
• Oppose Questionable EV. Angle and lighting prevent this from really showing what the NYSE building looks like. There is a lot of beautiful detail on this facade but you can't make any of it out in this picture. The streetlight in the foreground is distracting as are the flag decorations. This has very limited EV in American Flag and New York City. Makeemlighter ( talk) 16:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply
• Oppose generally a good image but I agree with Makeemlighter; I don't think it adds a lot to New York City or American Flag and I think that the building itself could be better depicted for its use in NYSE. Guest9999 ( talk) 19:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Well, If those are your arguments... there will never be a FP of the NYSE. The building can't be depicted any better, since the street is too narrow to take a picture from across the building. If you don't believe me, I would suggest using Google. This is the best image of the NYSE you will see in a while on Wikipedia. -- Massimo Catarinella ( talk) 19:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I think it would be very difficult to take a featured picture of the building at night with the Christmas lighting. Most of the issues I have relate to how the flag lighting affects the view of the detailing and shadowing of the main structure and other features that wouldn't be an issue in daylight; such as the distracting street lighting mentioned above and the highlights in some of the windows. For me the value of having an image showing the December lighting does not overcome those pitfalls. Having said that I agree it's a good image taken under difficult conditions that adds to the encyclopaedia. Guest9999 ( talk) 20:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

• Oppose - it might be a nice image but we have to think about the EV. As for the building, it doesn't really show it as the flag light keeps half of the details in the dark and the other half overexposed. So for both NYC and NYSE it bears no EV. As for the flag article, it's a nice addition but hardly enough for FP as the article could very well be without this image. I think it has better chance to become a FP on Commons.-- Avala ( talk) 20:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

  Comment I don't think the comments about the lighting obscuring detail are entirely fair, considering that most of the time, for the past several years, the NYSE has had an absolutely gigantic American flag plastered over the columns, obscuring far more than the Christmas lighting does (see here, or browse the Commons gallery). Maybe there's a local around to clarify, but the last couple times I've been to NYC, the giant flag has been there. In looking at the Commons gallery, it seems they take it down during the holidays and put up lights on the columns. So you actually see more of the building during the Christmas season, even with the Christmas lights. I agree however the image doesn't have much EV in the American flag article, but it definitely has EV for the NYSE. Fletcher ( talk) 22:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I can vouch for that. In the five times I've been to NYC since 2002, I've never seen the building without a giant flag on it. Further more, there is a blind wall behind the columns, so what detail are be actually talking about... -- Massimo Catarinella ( talk)

I've seen a few pictures without anything covering the columns, but they might be older. So I'm willing to give you that. I'm more interested in the detail in the Entablature and Pediment. Those are the major architectural features of the facade, and they are obscured/distorted by the lighting and shadows. Makeemlighter ( talk) 01:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I agree with Massimo. Every time I've been there it has had some variation of an American flag. Enough so that it would have to be considered vital in any modern depiction of it. See my two images as examples. First is August 2004 (Athens Olympics, hence the greek flag), second is January 2006. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC) reply

• Oppose As stated before, the American flag depiction adds little to the EV of the image. Further, the building would be depicted better and with much more detail through an image taken in the daytime. I also think that the ideal framing would have the building represented from the front straight-on, but not at such an extreme angle--though it may be difficult to capture-- mcshadypl ^{T C} 20:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Not promoted -- Noodle snacks ( talk) 09:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC) reply