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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot ( talk) 31 May 2020 [1].

1981 UEFA Cup Final

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Well, we've just promoted Ipswich's best season to FA, so it's only right now to accompany that with arguably their greatest triumph, a European victory for a tiny club managed by Bobby Robson (who he??). This is was given a good going over at WP:GAN by Harrias so hopefully whatever remains can be dealt with expeditiously. Thank you in advance for any attention you may be willing to give this article. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Image review

  • Images & captions are pertinent and help the text.
  • Images licensed appropriately -
CC BY-SA 2.0/File:Cobbold Stand, Ipswich Town Football Club 8418.jpg,
CC0 1.0/File:Finale Ipswich Town tegen Standard Luik (2-0). Wark (rechts) maakt 1-0, Bestanddeelnr 931-6178 (cropped).jpg
however...
File:Olstadion.jpg - the source website... http://www.bmz.amsterdam.nl/adam/nl/omd/omd07a.html / http://www.bmz.amsterdam.nl is down so can't check the "Amsterdam Municipal Department for the Preservation and Restoration of Historic Buildings and Sites (bMA)" Attribution/licensure. Shearonink ( talk) 17:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC) reply
No idea. I've replaced it with a PD one. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Comments Support from Harrias

If any of the links don't work for you, let me know, and I can ping you copies over by email if you think they will be useful. Harrias talk 10:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Cheers Harrias, plenty to be getting on with! The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:33, 9 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Harrias I've taken what I can from those reports. Most of the post-match reports dealt with the goals and not much else, mainly because there were so many of them! Have another look at your leisure and let me know if there's anything else I can do. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Follow-up
  • "..ranking below the UEFA Champions League." Should this be "European Cup", rather than UEFA Champions League, given the latter didn't exist in 1981?
  • "Butcher exploited AZ's renown weakness.." Should be "renowned".
  • "..scoring from the penalty spot after 30 minutes..", "Osman cut out Tol's breakaway chance on 30 minutes.." Both on 30 minutes? If we are certain on the order, but the reports have generalised both as being at 30 minutes, maybe just change to "shortly after" or similar.

Not much more from me. The lack of information on substitutes still bothers me; WP:FACR 1b requires the article to be comprehensive "it neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context;". I think that I can accept that a list of unused substitutes is not a major fact, but it still feels like an obvious omission. Harrias talk 09:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Harrias Addressed the above, but the unused substitutes simply aren't recorded in reliable sources. All contemporary sources simply list the used substitutes. I'll see what I can do, I've asked the club, I've asked the East Anglian Daily Times and I've asked a local statistician who knows all things ITFC. I may get an answer but I may not be able to source it! Cheers, let me know if there's anything else I can do secure your support. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Harrias I've ordered the programmes for both legs which list the "selected squads" so once they're in I'll add that information. ITFC didn't reply, nor the EADT, but the stats man pointed me in the right direction. Is there anything else required while we wait for those to arrive? The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 06:32, 15 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Harrias I've got both programmes, but I think they're pretty much listing the entire squads for each team and neither give any indication of any subs. ITFC themselves haven't responded to my question. I'm not sure where to go from here with this point. Can you let me know what you think? The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC) reply
That's a shame. As I said before, I think that I can accept that unused substitutes are not a major fact. For all I know, that season they decided any squad member could be used as a substitute, and it didn't really apply. Harrias talk 19:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Brief comment

Hi there, please check the link for ref. 59 (just The Times acting up again). RetiredDuke ( talk) 13:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Hey RetiredDuke, I replaced it. No easy find in the archives. Cheers for the spot. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Support Cas Liber

Taking a look now....

Ipswich and AZ had faced each other twice before, in the two-legged first round of the 1978–79 European Cup Winners' Cup which the English club won 2–0 on aggregate. - I had to read this twice as I was expecting an "and...x" in the second clause..before I realised it was "two-legged". I think this could be reworded better ...but is very late here and I'm too tired to think of an alternative. Will sleep on this...
I made this "faced each other in two matches before, ..." The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC) reply
works for me Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 14:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Otherwise reads fine on comprehensiveness and prose Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 14:11, 15 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Support from Dweller

Why was Robson's "future at Ipswich" "subject to debate"? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 14:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Because "bigger" clubs were after him. I'll try to find some more on this. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:17, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Oh. I took the implication to be 'if I lose, I'm off because I'll be sacked'. It doesn't make sense your way anyway... if he won, he'd be even more in demand. What did he mean? -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 14:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply
I think he realised his ship would have sailed at Ipswich having lost everything that season but coming so close to a treble. He was certainly being tailed by Sunderland who were offering £1m over ten years (I've added that)... Ipswich would never have sacked Robson. If he was still alive, and if we had the same directors, he'd still be manager today. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Support Looking good. Unlike Mr Wark. -- Dweller ( talk) Become old fashioned! 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Comments Support by Amakuru

  • Lead
    • Played over two-legs - should be "two legs" I think, as it isn't an adjective.
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • It was the final of the 1980–81 season of European cup competition, the UEFA Cup - strange wording. Sounds like it may be saying this was the last of the various European cup finals to be played that season, or perhaps it's just saying it was the UEFA Cup final?
      Yes, it's a wordy way of saying it was the UEFA Cup final but a method of facilitating the various links without it repeating itself endlessly. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • The majority of Ipswich's ties were won by at least two goals, the exception was the second round against Bohemians of Prague, which Ipswich won 3–2 on aggregate - with the comma there I think it either needs to be "the exception being", or you need to separate the two parts with a semicolon or a full stop.
      Being it is. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • AZ 67's early ties were one-sided, winning the first three rounds by at least five goals on aggregate - the way it's phrased it sounds like the early ties won the first three rounds rather than AZ 67
      Rephrased. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Background
    • The first three sentences all seem to be sourced to [2], but I can't see any mention there of the UEFA Cup being founded in 1971, or that teams qualified to it through "performance in their national leagues and cup competitions". In fact I'm wondering if this latter point is correct, as my memory is that UEFA qualification was through league position only back in the day, with the Cup Winners Cup for cup winners.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 16:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
      Fair points, I've directly sourced 1971 and removed the qualification claim, getting information on that kind of thing post-Europa League re-branding is practically impossible. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • ... in the 1962–63 European Cup, and prior to the 1980–81 season, their most successful ... - should the comma be after "and" rather than after "Cup"?
      Comma moved. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Maybe say how many times they had previously qualified for Europe in total, since we're specifically told about two of the campaigns? I'm wondering if those were the only two. Similarly for AZ.
      Easier said than done. Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • the previous season behind Liverpool and Manchester United - I might put a comma after "season".
      As you like. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Did Liverpool and Manchester United both qualify for the European Cup, or was one of them also in the UEFA with Ipswich? Perhaps include that detail, since we've mentioned them.
      Added. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Will also have a look at other sections later.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 16:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Amakuru cheers, looking forward to it. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Route to the final – Ipswich Town F.C.
    • ... who also scored a fourth from open play. Aris also scored from the spot ... - quick repetition of "also".
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • The final sentence of the first paragraph, from The goal would prove... through to ...3–2 on aggregate seems a bit long and rambling to me. Maybe consider breaking it up.
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Similarly, in the second paragraph, when we hit the clause the only negative being a trip to hospital for Mick Mills for 15 stitches in a cut to his shin, it feels like maybe the sentence has gone on too long. That part could be separated out.
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Widzew Łódź won the away leg 1–0 with Marek Pięta scoring for the hosts but went out 5–1 on aggregate - doesn't sound quite right to me... it probably needs to omit "for the hosts" (possibly rewording to "1–0 through a Marek Pięta goal") or else to amend the end to "but they went out 5–1..."
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • The lead from the first leg allowed the Ipswich manager Bobby Robson to withdraw Mariner and Arnold Mühren, noting at the time that he was prioritising Ipswich's league challenge - the subject of this sentence is "the lead from the first leg", and at first glance one would asssume that the "noting at the time..." is also attributed to "the lead from the first leg". Of course it's obvious that it was Sir Bobby who did the noting, but maybe tweak the grammar a little.
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • The Dutch player Johnny Rep put the away team in the lead after 16 minutes" - Saint-Étienne were the home team in the first leg, no?
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • in the past 10 years - in other parts of the article you say "ten years" and "ten minutes". It is part of a quote, but it's a spoken quote so probably consistency should apply.
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • General: Most goalscorers on the route to the final, both by Ipswich and by the opposition, are explicitly mentioned. But a few are not, e.g. the fifth Ipswich goalscorer in the 5–1 vs Aris, and the three Aris goalscorers in the second leg of that tie. I don't know if it's because those goals were simply less important than others, but if not you could consider adding them for completeness.
      Done. Problem is actually finding comprehensive detail, i.e. one Aris goal I only have the surname and that comes up literally nowhere on the web. But added what I could. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
 —  Amakuru ( talk) 23:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Amakuru cheers dude, done that lot. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Amakuru less main page fun-and-laughter section, more FAC review.... I'm waiting...........!! (PS just beat Cov 5–0 on FIFA so feeling pretty smug....!) The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Ha, we were robbed. Dodgy ref I reckon. Will finish off the review tomorrow, sorry I got distracted by some silliness in that place you're not allowed to discuss.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 22:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Route to the final – AZ '67
    • "Luxembourgeois" sounds a little odd, I don't think that's the most usual English word. The people are called Luxembourgers as a noun, but I suspect it's most common just to say "Luxembourg" as the adjective. e.g. " Jean-Claude Juncker is a Luxembourg politician".
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • "The second leg saw AZ's only defeat in qualification" - I get that this means qualification for the final, which is the subject of this article. But the term more often refers to preliminary rounds of a competition, or a separate event that takes place beforehand, rather than the actual main-draw rounds themselves. Something like "on their route to the final" might be better.
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • First leg
    • Might be worth clarifying that the injured Ipswich players all nonetheless played the game, although I guess "carrying" does sort of imply this already.
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • "were able to play their full strength side, with Kist replacing Welzl in the starting eleven" - does this imply that had they not yet won the league they would not have played a full-strength side? And was Kist replacing Welzl evidence of their full-strength status? Welzl is mentioned several times in the preceding section which suggests that he was an integral member of the team throughout, so was this actually a tactical switch and if so, why?
      The implication is that Kist was being saved during the domestic season for the cup final. I can't read any more into the source which wouldn't be OR. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Also, it should be "full-strength side" I think per MOS:HYPHEN
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • "won several corners without capitalising but were caught offside numerous times" - were the offsides all from the corners? Or are these two points separate? If the latter, "and" might be better than "but".
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • "Ipswich doubled their lead: following a header from Dutchman Frans Thijssen after his initial shot was saved by Treijtel" - not sure why there's a colon in this sentence. And as we already have an "after", I would replace "following" with "through a header" or similar.
      Similar. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • "good work from Brazil and Steve McCall" - sounds a little colloquial and vague. What did they do exactly?
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • "Robson's future at Ipswich was subject to debate having been linked to a number of other clubs" - similar to the point above, it was Robson himself who was linked to a number of other clubs, not his future at Ipswich
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Georg Keßler's quote starts with a capital, but Robson's starts with lowercase. Suggest consistency one way or the other unless there's a reason for this.
      Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
And with that I've finished combing through the prose. Will check for sourcing, completeness and other miscellaneous points in a bit, but looking good so far.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 14:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Amakuru done and dusted, thanks. I've addressed/responded to all above. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
OK, all looks good to me and I think it's basically complete. The only thing I thought of was that it could have some mention of the post-match celebrations which took place back in Ipswich when the team returned home. We see some detail on that at 1927_FA_Cup_Final#Post_match_and_aftermath, but I notice from your recent FA at 1978_FA_Cup_Final that there's no mention of the ticker-tape parade, so perhaps it's not essential. I'm happy to support on prose. If you want me to do a sourcing check as well then let me know.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 19:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Amakuru I took another look and found a source for the civic reception which flowed nicely into Robson's announcement to stay. Thanks for your support and comments, of course, and if you'd like to do a source check, that would also be amazing. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Source check by Amakuru

  • Ref formatting and general points. Numbers refer to this version.
    • [2] - Why is this "via www.theguardian.com", rather than just The Guardian as publisher?
    • [9] - typo "&nadsh;"
    • [15] - UEFA was linked in several previous refs (7, 8, 9, 11), but isn't in this one and subsequent. As a wise person once told me, "either link items the first time, every time, or no times". Check this for all refs and make it consistent.
    • [35] - I'd expect "van der Sluis" to start with a capital, like the beginning of sentences at Vincent van Gogh. Not sure if this is a proper MOS point, but if it is then consider changing it.
    • [40] and [43] - ditto for "de Deugd".
    • [64] title is missing
Otherwise it looks good. I'll do the spot checks next.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 09:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Amakuru lovely, done all those and found a couple of other issues while doing so, bonus. Cheers again, look forward to the spot checks, whenever you can. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Spot checks. Numbers based on this version.
    • [1] - checks out.
    • [4][5] - checks out.
    • [6] - couldn't check, offline book source.
    • [8] - article says "losing 5–4 on penalties to FC Barcelona", but the source says the score was 3–1.
      • Fixed. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
        I just double checked that 5–4 / 3–1 issue and it turns out I misread the source myself - I was looking at the Barcelona vs Ipswich tie in that season rather than the Barcelona vs AZ. Oops. I've struck this one.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 15:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • [10][11] - checks out.
    • [13] - checks out.
    • [16] - checks out.
    • [20] - couldn't check, subscription needed.
    • [21] - checks out.
    • [24]
      • (a) checks out.
      • (b) the article doesn't technically confirm that Ipswich have played only one European final up to 2020.
      • (c) in conjunction with the other source [58] it checks out.
      • (d) "Welzl clipped the post shortly afterwards before a Peters cross was headed home by an unmarked Metgod. Wark scored in the 38th minute with a well-struck shot from a corner, before Tol headed in a Jonker pass to make the aggregate score 5–3." - the source doesn't seem to mention Peters, or go into the same detail on the other goals.
    • [27] - checks out for both (a) and (b).
    • [30] - checks out.
    • [33][34] - the first source pertains to the first leg rather than the second, and neither seem to give the method of Butcher's goal, only that he scored it.
    • [37] - checks out.
    • [40] - checks out.
    • [45] - couldn't check, subscription needed.
    • [48] - checks out for all three uses.
    • [52] - checks out.
    • [54] - checks out.
    • [60] - checks out.
    • [63] - checks out, but the original link seems dead so switch to the archive link if so.
      • That's what the archiveurl is there for. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
        Sure, but I believe it's customary to use the archive URL as the principal link if the real URL is now dead. The url-status parameter in the templates does this for you, and I've taken the liberty of flipping it. But feel free to revert me if you disagree.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 15:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
    • [66] - checks out... technically the source doesn't say he left Ipswich, only that he became England manager... but maybe that's WP:BLUE territory as it's obvious to those in the know that you can't hold both jobs!
    • [67] - checks out.
    • [68] - checks out.
    • [71] - checks out.
Cheers  —  Amakuru ( talk) 13:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Amakuru thanks, I think I've addressed the concerns above, let me know if there's anything else I can do. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
OK thanks. That's all from me then, I'm happy to support on sourcing - the few issues I found above were only minor things and generally everything checks out. Cheers.  —  Amakuru ( talk) 15:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Support Comments from NapHit

  • "The 1980–81 UEFA Cup campaign was their season in European football." think you're missing a word here
    Uh, yeah, that's the important bit, right?! I knew I forgot something. Fixed. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Should AFC Ajax be piped to Ajax? That's what they are commonly referred to in the media.
    Indeed. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • "Cooper was forced to wear a protective covering for an arm injury sustained in the previous domestic match." might be worth specifying the opposition in that particular match.
    Done. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • "when the referee Adolf Prokop waved..." think there should be a comma before and after the referee is mentioned.
    I'm normally accused of overusing commas, so this comes as a surprise. Done! The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • "and in scoring it he ensured..." -> which ensured
    Much better, thanks. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • "Robson's future at Ipswich was subject to debate having with him having been linked to a number of other clubs..."
    Duh, if only I ever read what I write. Fixed. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
  • I would move the Souness book, ref 71, alongside the other two books and consider putting them into a separate bibliography section.
    I was about to blather on about one-off usages then realised that Houseley/Houseley is used just once, so I've followed your advice and added Sounness to the references. And created a bibliography section. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply

That's all from me great work and an enjoyable read! NapHit ( talk) 15:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply

NapHit Awesome, thanks so much. I believe I've addressed everything, but don't hesitate to give me a shout if I missed something or there was anything else you noticed. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Happy to support now my nitpicking concerns have been addressed! If you could take a look at 2001 UEFA Cup Final, if you get the chance that would be great. Would greatly appreciate your comments there! NapHit ( talk) 21:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply

@ FAC coordinators: I think we're done here now, unanimous support, prose checked, images checked, sources checked. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply

Noted, I daresay I'll get to this in the next day or two. Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 23:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC) reply
TRM, should we have a "Teams" citation/link per the recent 1978 FA Cup Final nom? Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 10:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC) reply
The teams are already contained in the "report" link. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Names yes, but couldn't see positions and countries of origin -- or did I miss something? Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 11:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Oh, that. Yes, I don't have a reference for those. I suppose they should go. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 17:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC) reply
Ipswich are now referenced via 11v11.com, but those pages don't provide listings for AZ nationalities, nor do any of the contemporaneous newspaper sources. The positions are variously referenced across all the sources. Best and final offer. The Rambling Man ( Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 17:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC) reply
If we don't have reliable sourcing for the nationalities of one side I wouldn't show them for the other side, just so things look consistent, but I'm not going to hold up promotion over that. Cheers, Ian Rose ( talk) 07:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC) reply
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