Bobby kalotee ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( restore)

My page on Mr. Bobby Kalotee was recently deleted by your ADMIN (RHaworth), upon contacting him he asked me to work with DRV hence this request. The admin also deleted by sandbox (User:Sagar vaibhav/sandbox). Below is my communication with RHaworth admin. "Hello Mr. Haworth, You recently deleted by wikipedia page on Bobby Kalotee. Kindly help me fix the issues on the page so that I can either remove or edit them for the page to pass your and Wikipedia's criteria. Kindly feel free to email me to discuss further. Seems like you also deleted by sandbox page. Kindly let me know what and how can I fix it do retrieve my info back. If possible for both my page on Bobby and also my sandbox page kindly list 1. what text/link should I remove from it? 2. How can I restore my sandbox back with its previous contents? Thanks vaibhav — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar vaibhav (talk • contribs) 17:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Ask at DRV if you must. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)"

Apart from this here's my impression of Mr. Bobby Kalotee. He's a true social worker and humanitarian who has worked for his local & international communities in times if distress and natural calamity. All his charitable work has been done with the sole purpose of serving humanity. He never ever expects or gets anything back from his humanitarian activities. I hope your review board will take this into consideration and work with me to get his wiki page listed. All the photos and awards certificates that I uploaded as part of this article were taken by me from his office. I only used the material and info that I would personally get from his office. Thanks for all your help and cooperation in advance. Sagar vaibhav ( talk) 17:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply

• Did you also write his LinkedIn page? If not, it doesn't matter how wonderful and important a person he is, nor how utterly inappropriate the tone of the article was for an encyclopedia; copyright violations are never restored. If so, we have a different set of problems entirely. — Cryptic 18:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• Endorse there were two problems with the article. One is that the wording was extremely promotional, and it read like the sort of thing I would see in a press release or on the subject's website. Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia and doesn't allow this type of content. The other is that you copied a large amount of text from other places on the internet, including the subject's LinkedIn page. This makes it a copyright violation and we don't allow those either (not least because it's illegal). The article would have to be rewritten completely to address these concerns, and we don't allow this type of material in user sandboxes either. Hut 8.5 18:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply

User:Hut 8.5, Cryptic - Thanks for your response. I'll keep your points while redrafting the page. Kindly restore my sandbox so that I can work on editing the article. I promise I'll rewrite the article but I need the basic text, links and formatting which will help me re-frame and rewrite the article again. Help here is highly appreciated.

• Sorry, we can't restore copyright violations, even to user sandboxes. Hut 8.5 22:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
  • You can email it. Beware copyright paranoia. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 23:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
    • I think you're on shaky ground with that, especially if it's going to be used as the basis for a new article. Hut 8.5 18:53, 11 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• This ( https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/bobby-kumar-kalotee-back-in-the-thick-of-nassau-government-1.14090307) Bobby Kalotee? Could be notable. If you try again, don’t start with connected or promotional sources. Start with independent sources. Don’t use LinkedIn at all. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 23:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Yes, looks like the same person. c:Special:ListFiles/Sagar_vaibhav. — Cryptic 16:22, 11 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• Endorse my deletion. If the guy really is notable, there is no need to plaster images of award certificates all over the article. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 00:02, 11 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Hello user RHaworth - I did that to cite and prove all the awards that he earned for his social work. Also SmokeyJoe kindle let me know if you can email me my sandbox info. I'll rewrite this page but I need my sandbox restored so that I can reuse all the wikipedia editing and formatting that I did. RHaworth, SmokeyJoe, Cryptic - Is there a way to avoid this. Could have I sent my page to either of you for a review and suggested edits to avoid deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar vaibhav ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC) reply

@ Sagar vaibhav: You can begin by disclosing your connection to Mr. Kalotee. You stated above that you got the information "from his office". Are you employed by him? — Cryptic 19:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC) reply

• Endorse deletion. This simply isn't an encyclopaedia article. ElAhrairah  ^{inspect damage}⁄ _berate 19:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Cryptic - I do not work for or with Bobby. I first met Bobby Kalotee at India Day Parade and was impressed by his charity work and humility. when I tried to look him up online I did not see any Wiki page on his name and thought may be I could start one. I'm a JAVA software developer by profession and not a news reporter, so to get more info about Bobby I got in touch with Bobby's office and to gather more information about his work. I used the text from the resume that they sent me, which now I see is similar to his linkedin profile (I only read/checked his linkedin profile after my page was deleted). I personally took photos of all his degrees and certificates to prove all the text in my wikipage. I thought these pics would help substantiate all the awards and Bobby's charitable community work. I honestly did not know about copyright and other legal issues hence I request you guys to consider my request to restore atleast my sandbox so that I can rewrite the article. Restoring my sandbox will help me re-use the wiki markups that I used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar vaibhav ( talk • contribs) 19:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Ali Alsalim ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( restore)

Khaled Alhnen ( talk| | history| logs| links| watch) ( restore)

Iraqi singer and songwriter.I added more than six sources What is the purpose of deleting the article??? Also Khaled Alhnen.No need to delete such articles! - Regards (Please see this User_talk:Elahrairah#Ali_Alsalim_&_Khaled_Alhnen) IamIRAQI ( talk) 02:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply

• requesting a temp undelete to address the speedy. If the sources are any good at all, it would be enough to overcome the A7. But that's a big if... Hobit ( talk) 04:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• Temp undeleted. That's a big if indeed. Links to one's music are not sources. Endorse. — Cryptic 09:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• The sources are all in Arabic. That's not a problem in theory, but in practice it makes it difficult for non-Arabic speakers (like me) to evaluate the sources. Could you help us out by reading WP:NMUSIC and then pointing out the two or three best sources which meet the requirements described there. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply

  Lacking the requested sources, I must now endorse the deletion. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC) reply

• Endorse. Refs are just links to music lists, blogs, lyrics etc. there is no assertion of notability. Szzuk ( talk) 17:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• For clarity, my rationale for deletion explained:
  1. The article makes no credible claim to significance in the body.
  2. The parts of the references that are in English do not indicate significance.
  3. The vast majority of the material included in the references is written in Arabic, which neither I nor the majority of Wikipedia's users can read. It is therefore useless in determining importance or notability. ElAhrairah  ^{inspect damage}⁄ _berate 17:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• Being written in Arabic makes it much more difficult for us to find new sources, but not especially so to evaluate ones that've already been given. For these particular articles, their nature was obvious enough even before running them through machine translation to confirm.
  @ IamIRAQI: We don't need "more than six" sources listing the titles or lyrics of music these people have written, nor to pages selling it. The only thing that will be convincing are prose articles with clear editorial control, that are intellectually independent of them, and that discuss them, or at least their music, directly and in depth. Or, for the long version, see WP:NMUSIC, as RoySmith links above. — Cryptic 18:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• endorse sources appear to not meet WP:N. Hobit ( talk) 19:15, 10 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• Endorse. I translated each source, but you don't really need to. It's obvious that all sources are directory or track listings or song lyrics. No in-depth coverage of the artist. Zero evidence of meeting any of the criteria for inclusion in WP:MUSICBIO. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 07:48, 11 January 2018 (UTC) reply