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Category:21st-century Albanian models

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Models aren't diffused by century Mason ( talk) 23:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, it is not meaningful to diffuse contemporary occupations by century. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:20th-century Albanian sports coaches

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to Albanian sports coaches and 21st/20th-century Albanian sportspeople. Sports coaches aren't diffused by century, and even if they were there's not enough coaches to justify diffusion Mason ( talk) 23:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Merge, it is not meaningful to diffuse contemporary occupations by century. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Hoarders

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:People with hoarding disorder. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not defining and is pretty subjective. Although this behavior is related to OCD, it's not the same thing. So folks who's OCD is expressed by hoarding would be categorized in Category:People with obsessive–compulsive disorder. (Alternatively, we can selectively merge into Category:People with obsessive–compulsive disorder) Mason ( talk) 23:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • I still think that renaming makes that a bit clearer. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC) reply
    I'm fine with renaming if we make it clear that we're describing the disability, as opposed to how it is being described as a behavior. Mason ( talk) 02:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Television series by JTBC Studios

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Category:Jeopardy! contestants

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 06:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per recent consensus and WP:PERFCAT. User:Namiba 21:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Romani in the Arab world

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 06:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: overlap Yorkporter ( talk) 20:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom. It might have been different if there were articles on Arab-Romani ethnic interaction in general, but that is not the case. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
    Support per nom. Mason ( talk) 23:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mixed-gender bands

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Category:Executed People from the Russian Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 06:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Identical category created by the same person. @ Johnpacklambert:, please check that a category already exists before you make it. Mason ( talk) 19:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:People of Lebanese descent by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated. Category:People of Serbian descent by occupation contains only Category:Serb diaspora sportspeople‎; discussion on potentially removing it from Category:People of Serbian descent can occur at Category talk:People of Serbian descent. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 15:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Having only one occupation in here is not helpful for navigation. Mason ( talk) 19:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Or the third category may be deleted because its subcategory isn't really about descent, rather about people who emigrated. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Serb diaspora sportspeople

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Category:Fighting games used at the Super Battle Opera tournament

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 06:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF failed. Where a video game was played was not and will never be defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 18:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:People by gender

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Category:Afromorus

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination after this category was listed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 15#Category:Afromorus without being tagged. The nomination statement was as follows:

The genus is monotypic and goes against Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Categorization#Taxonomic categories

Consensus was reached at said discussion to delete; courtesy pings to participants: @ LaundryPizza03 and Cryptic.rat. House Blaster talk 17:03, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. This should have been raised at WP:DRV, not here. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 17:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • For now, consensus is clear. Things may only change if new editors are going to participate in this discussion after they noticed the tag. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:26, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Basketball in Pune

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. The single article is already in its subcategories so no merge is needed. User:Namiba 17:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:NARROWCAT. Sionk ( talk) 17:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are published. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:28, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Full upmerge -- We do not need a category for this sport below Maharasthra. Even that will only have 3 articles, but that is part of an India tree. Peterkingiron ( talk) 21:18, 10 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Lacrosse clubs disestablished in 1976

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Sports clubs and teams disestablished in 1976 and Category:Lacrosse clubs disestablished in the 1970s. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 15:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 page in this category Let'srun ( talk) 14:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Merge and also to Category:Sports clubs and teams disestablished in 1976. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 17:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Dual merge, disestablishments of notable lacrosse clubs in the 1970s is apparently very rare. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Lacrosse clubs disestablished in 1982

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Sports clubs and teams disestablished in 1982 and Category:Lacrosse clubs disestablished in the 1980s. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 15:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Subject contains only 1 category Let'srun ( talk) 14:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Merge and also to Category:Sports clubs and teams disestablished in 1982. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 17:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Dual merge, disestablishments of notable lacrosse clubs in the 1980s is apparently very rare. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Television shows set in Wales by city

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Category:Cashew fruit drinks

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The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Cashew fruit; no consensus with WP:NPASR for Category:Cashew fruit drinks. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 15:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I created these categories when I thought that cashew fruit and cashew apple were interchangeable terms, but I've now learned that cashew apple always refers to the false fruit that the cashew nut grows on. I used cashew fruit because it looked like the more utilized term according to google search trends. BaduFerreira ( talk) 15:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Comments on both categories are welcome, but noting that the proposed move of Category:Cashew fruit drinks has received no discussion. As it stands, consensus seems to be in favor of deleting Category:Cashew fruit.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster talk 12:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply

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Category:Magical girl characters in anime and manga

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Category:Society Game contestants

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman 11:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fear Factor: Khatron Ke Khiladi participants

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman 11:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:The Challenge (TV series) contestants

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman 10:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Survivor (American TV series) contestants

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman 10:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish basketball players

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: men's and women's players are divided by nationality, not ethnicity/religion. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:23, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Comment: there is an inconsistancy in Category:Jewish sportspeople. It makes sense where there are equal number of men and women competitors (i.e. track and field) but, IMO, it does not make sense where there are very few women and a lot more men. @ Smasongarrison, @ Marcocapelle, adding you for your opinion. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Support in principle. Merging would be consistent with how other ethnicity categories are treated, such as Category:Native American basketball players. We'd have to manually merge by gender as well, eg to Category:Jewish basketball players and Category:Men's basketball players. Mason ( talk) 19:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • It is a big WP:OCEGRS mess, with categorization both by ethnicity and gender. Support nomination to begin with. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
    Yes, it makes sense if it is just "Jewish basketball players" like it is Category:Jewish tennis players. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC) reply
    @ Marcocapelle, should I nominate other sports divided by genders in Category:Jewish sportspeople? You know the rules better than I do so I'll defer to you. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 10:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC) reply
    • @ Omnis Scientia: it is not so much a matter of rules and more a matter of common sense. If I were you I would leave this nomination as is and start a fresh nomination with multiple other sports together. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:15, 6 December 2023 (UTC) reply
      Will do. Thank you. Omnis Scientia ( talk) 11:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. I don't see any benefit. And I see a detriment - someone looking for the 8 women who currently fit this cat would have to scroll throw and sift a larger cat. And it is inconsistent with how we handles gender/sports cats. We have other categories split by gender. The rationale for having them there, and here, is the same. We have many categories with few women, fewer than the 8 here, and more men than women. The appeal to "common sense" rather than wp rules is interesting, but I don't see common sense supporting the nomination. And I don't see anyone suggesting we roll all of those up. See, for example, Category:Albanian women's basketball players, Albanian women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Armenian women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Azerbaijani women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Beninese women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Chilean women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Colombian women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Costa Rican women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Cypriot women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Dominican Republic women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Fijian women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Gabonese women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Guyanese women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Indonesian women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Kyrgyzstani women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Liberian women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Martiniquais women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Mexican women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Moldovan women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Nepalese women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Norwegian women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Pakistani women basketball players‎ (1 P), Papua New Guinean women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Paraguayan women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Saint Vincent and the Grenadines women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Samoan women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Scottish women's basketball players‎ (2 P), South Sudanese women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Surinamese women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Swiss women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Syrian women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Thai women's basketball players‎ (1 P), Tunisian women's basketball players‎ (2 P), Ugandan women's basketball players‎ (2 P).
  • Those aren't ethnic categories so they deserve a separate discussion anyhow, with possibly a different outcome. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Livonian people

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ethnic Livonians. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. it is unclear to me that this distinction between these categories is meaningful Mason ( talk) 05:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Nationalists from Ponce

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from Ponce, Puerto Rico and Category:Puerto Rican nationalists. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. The intersection between type of activitist and city and nationality is not defining. Mason ( talk) 05:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Danish men by century and occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. this category isn't helpful for navigation with only on category in it Mason ( talk) 03:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:19th-century Ethiopian courtiers

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ethiopian courtiers. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. only one person in this category which is not helpful for navigation Mason ( talk) 03:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Interesting biography by the way. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Comment When I created this category years & years ago, it was with the knowledge that there were other courtiers (a title I picked for lack of a better one) in other centuries, most prominently in the 15th, 16th & 17th centuries. Unfortunately, due to one thing or another, I have yet to create articles on said courtiers -- or to add existing articles to a related category. ( Peter Heyling, for example, should be added to Category:Ethiopian courtiers. Another would be Walter Plowden.) As for the outcome, I don't have a strong opinion, although if the one category becomes overpopulated, this category could doubtlessly be recreated. -- llywrch ( talk) 20:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:Chinese Central Asia

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:History of the Chinese in Central Asia. (non-admin closure) – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Chinese in Central Asia makes absolutely no sense. Should be renamed to "History of China in Central Asia" or "Chinese expansionism into Central Asia." SimeonManier ( talk) 01:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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Category:19th-century American legislators

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster talk 15:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category Mason ( talk) 00:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Comment As creator of the categories, I feel I should explain my rationale: these categories were created with the intention of reducing the size of the parent categories, which, in the case of Category:19th-century American politicians, for example, contains over 13,000 names. Not all politicians are legislators. This places members of Congress, state governors, city mayors, and state or local-level cabinet secretaries all under a single banner. I do believe there is a real case for more subcategorization from the Category:X-century American politicians categories.
For the sake of disclosure, however, these categories originated from an RFC about creating specific categories for members of the US Congress. There was not support to create categories for each specific US Congress, in the style of Category:UK MPs 2019–present, and so on, due to the bloat that would be created from two-year Congresses on the pages of very long-serving members. Suggestions were made to create new categories for members in each century. At the time, I concluded that the consensus was not strong enough for a very specific category set to be created, and went with the century-level legislator category instead. As I worked on the categories, however, I began to wonder if this was still too broad, with senators, representatives, state legislators, and city council members all sharing the same category. I have occasionally considered the possibility of opening a new RFC, with the specific proposal of creating Category:X-century members of the United States Congress category sets. There seemed to be some movement toward support for this at the RFC from earlier this year, but I did not think it was strong enough at the time, and discussion eventually died down altogether.
TL;DR: I don't know the best way forward on this particular matter, and am not sure how I feel about these categories as they are. I don't agree that these categories overlap to the point that they're redundant, but I think there are some related practical problems I encountered with this specific scope. Sunshineisles2 ( talk) 04:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
That's really helpful! Thank you for taking the time to explain it. How would you feel if it were renamed to X-century American state legislators etc? To make it a tad clearer how their distinct Mason ( talk) 02:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC) reply
I've been mulling around a similar idea in my head, which would be to create subcategories of legislators, like 19th-century members of the United States Congress or 19th-century American state legislators, and the legislator category becoming a container category or eventually being deleted entirely. Sunshineisles2 ( talk) 04:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC) reply
Wouldn't this necessitate keeping the categories under discussion as containers? BD2412 T 16:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC) reply
I guess it would, though it's still a tentative idea, so I hadn't really thought out out all the considerations involved. Sunshineisles2 ( talk) 16:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose per Sunshineisles2, especially the 19th-century target is too large to be useful. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose Not all politicians are legislators. Some held only a different type of office. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC) reply
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