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Category:Demons in Occultism

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Category:White Americans (US Census Bureau)

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Category:8th-century Holy Roman Emperors

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Category:Australian anesthesiologists

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 08:27, 29 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Anesthesiologist is not a term used in Australia, anaesthetist is. This different terminology is recognised at Anesthesiology#Terminology, Category:British anaesthetists and its subordinate country categories as well as Category:Irish anaesthetists have adopted the same naming. Cavalryman V31 ( talk) 17:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support as the readers are more likely to know what the new name means. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 03:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support this is local usage. Rathfelder ( talk) 20:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • support per nominators rationale-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 02:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support; nominator is Australian. 😊 ― Biochemistry🙴 style="color:firebrick">❤ 02:58, 23 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment; Agree with change, although how about other "anaesthesiologists" eg those from Kenya, Malaysia, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan or South Africa? How about having a list of countries where "British" rather than “American” spelling applies? Hugo999 ( talk) 06:49, 25 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support - most of Member states of the Commonwealth of Nations are likely to use 'anaesthetist'. The pages of the individuals concerned will use the local term (if working locally); eg Cecil Moss (South Africa) is described as an anaesthetist. The ones in India in contrast appear to be called anesthesiologists. Oculi ( talk) 00:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Vista Broadcast Group radio stations

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 16:47, 2 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: per new title of page. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:04, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom. Category was created 11 years ago, in line with the title of the company's article at that time, but the article has since been moved to reflect a change in the company's branding and the category should be moved to match. Bearcat ( talk) 16:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support per Vista Radio. Oculi ( talk) 17:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Maija Vilkkumaa

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Category:Jenni Vartiainen

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:19, 5 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Subcats already interlinked. -- wooden superman 15:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose - 3 subcats has generally been considered sufficient in musician categories. Oculi ( talk) 21:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Nom has done as above, thus rendering my comment apparently incorrect. Oculi ( talk) 17:50, 1 July 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jaakko Löytty

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:06, 3 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON -- wooden superman 15:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support - just 1 subcat has generally been considered insufficient in musician categories. Oculi ( talk) 21:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Abdullah Ibrahim

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:07, 3 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Subcats already interlinked. -- wooden superman 15:40, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 17:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Amanda Black

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:07, 3 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Subcats already interlinked. -- wooden superman 15:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Billie Eilish

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:07, 3 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Subcats already interlinked -- wooden superman 15:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Elle King

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:08, 3 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Subcats already interlinked -- wooden superman 14:59, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Top Chef judges

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:08, 3 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Professional appearances on TV show = WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman 14:55, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Airports named after Artists

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The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization per WP:TRIVIALCAT. - Eureka Lott 14:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Alieu Ebrima Cham Joof

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:08, 3 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. Category was populated by a load of articles that failed WP:NONDEFINING (such as Radiodiffusion Télévision Sénégalaise and The Gambia Scout Association, etc.) -- wooden superman 11:44, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support per nom. It would have been helpful for this discussion to leave the purged articles in the category for another week or so, or to provide a full list of these articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Religion in Poland by city

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Repeat nominations are discouraged for at least 1 year, as some defenders of the category emphasised the potential for growth. – Fayenatic London 23:01, 19 August 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant container category, as it contains only two cities. Note that the churches subcat should not be included in the merge process. Marcocapelle ( talk) 04:16, 29 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. I know that we usually take a minimum of about five articles er category as the threshold to avoid WP:SMALLCAT, but there are some situations where that approach is unhelpful. In some cases, a lower or higher minimum is appropriate.
One such situation is categories by city. The subcats are sorted alphabetically by city, so we end up with a long list of the names of cities from random countries, with with no grouping by country. That is near-useless for navigation, and navigation is the main purpose of categories.
e.g. Category:People by city was unusable until it was fully diffused to Category:People by country and city.
So for Foo-by-city categories, I apply a minimum threshold of 2 categories for diffusing them to a Foo-in-Countryname-by-city category.
I am concerned that a lot of recent by-city nominations appear to be done on an excessively formulaic basis, without considering issues such as the navigability of parent categories, or the possibility for expansion. Readers would be much better served by more discretion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:44, 29 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • This oppose seems to be directed against the existance of Category:Religion in Europe by city, the second merge target. But it is not clear why there is a problem, this category has existed for more than 3 years and does its job perfectly fine. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC) reply
The oppose is directed against diluting the utility of Category:Religion in Europe by city by dumping into it multiple pages from the same country. The more pages are dumped in it, the more it becomes a useless assortment like Category:Sport by city. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:43, 29 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Category:Sport by city is not useless at all. It allows us to navigate easily between sports content of different cities, which is exactly the purpose of the category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • No, it doesn't allow easy navigation, because it presents the names of the cities without their countries. So unless you are human atlas, it's just a string of unknown names.
If that page was a list article, there's no way anyone would claim it was useful to present it as an alphabetically-sorted bare list of the names of major and minor cities from all around the planet. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:50, 29 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • You are making a strong assumption that cities are only interesting if they are in the same country. That is unnecessary because if editors are interested in a country, they will use the by-country tree instead of the by-city tree. In case of the nomination (let's get back to that), after the proposed merger they will use Category:Religion in Poland rather than Category:Religion in Europe by city. The two trees serve different editors (and yes, editors using the by-city tree will probably have a sound knowledge of human geography at a global level.) Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:01, 30 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Please don't put words in my mouth. I make no such assumption.
My concern is about the usability of category which lists cities from a random set of countries without displaying the country name.
And we don't make categories for editors; we make them for readers. There is no reason to presuppose that Wikipedia's diverse readership are geographical geeks. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:46, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Most certainly agree that the categories are for readers, but that does not make a difference. If readers are interested in Poland as a country then they can select Category:Religion in Poland; while if they are interested in European cities they can select Category:Religion in Europe by city. By the way, I would not consider people who know cities like Belgrade and Oslo to be geographical geeks. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Many cities in Poland have been in several countries in the course of their existence. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:31, 30 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • While that is a correct observation, I presume that in this religion tree we are categorizing by the current borders of Poland. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:51, 30 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep and populate -- While we currently only have 3 subcats, there are plenty more cities that might be added. Using "Europe by city" is to jump an appropriate category level. Such a category should mainly be used as a container. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:47, 30 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • No, populating does not make sense, most cities would only have one subcategory, namely Category:Christianity in city. While Poland has a significant Jewish history, there is not much Jewish content in single cities. Besides many Jews lived in what is currently Ukraine. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Wow! But then we can expand the category trees while articles are being written/translated from German. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:42, 2 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • I don't quite understand what you're saying here (it's late, so probably my fault). Are you saying that we should delete Category:Religion in Poland by city now and then once I've translated the German articles (probably in a few months) recreate it? Furius ( talk) 14:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Recreation is easy enough. Besides, how certain is that translation is only going to take a few months? And how certain is that the translated articles are going to stay? (I have checked a number of these German articles and their sourcing is generally poor.) Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:10, 6 April 2019 (UTC) reply
reply -- There is likely to be scope for Judaism in foo and Islam in foo, though Catholicism is the dominant religion in Poland. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:00, 23 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support The argument of BHG is tantamount to saying that no "by City" category is valid and that all should be force migrated in a "by country & by city" structure. That's a mighty big proposal and not for a small discussion like this. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 10:55, 31 March 2019 (UTC) reply
  • That is very clearly not my argument.
My point is that the utility of by-city categories is improved by diffusing them to "by country & by city" subcats.
Please stop your practice of misrepresenting people. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Reply I do not practice the misinterpretation of people; occasionally I misinterpret their arguments. Unlike BHG, I prefer to tackle the ball, not the man and can usually be relied on not to engage in the practice of ad hominem attacks which, conversely, are the stock-in-trade of BHG when she encounters resistence. So I allow myself this exception. To the argument: if none of the individual Polish cites is worthy of saving, how can their navigational utility to improved by grouping them into a "by country" scheme also? While it might look impressive for Poland to have its own "Category:Religion in Poland by city", if none of the individual cities has content enough to justify it then it's just an exercise in nationalistic vanity. If / when a slew of articles are translated from the Polish/German wikis, then feel free to re-create. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 11:22, 7 April 2019 (UTC) reply
More of the usual: misrepresent me, then claim it's a personal attack when called out. And I have no objection to disagreement; I do object strongly to misrepresentation. And there are whole CFD threads full of multiple editors warning LL to desist from their personal attacks, so LL's claim that hey prefer to tackle the ball, not the man is blatantly false.
The rest of LL's reply is based on a bizarre premise: if none of the individual Polish cites is worthy of saving. I presume that LL is referring to whether its appropriate to delete the categories for those Polish rather than describing the possible annihilation of the cities .... but since nobody in this discussion is proposing the deletion of these by-city categories, the rest of the point is meaningless. A test based on IF <demonstrably false proposition> then is a straw man. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC) reply
I did not misrepresent BHG. It's possible that I misinterpreted her argument. That is not the same thing at all. We can know that it was the argument that I was talking about and not the person because I explicitly stated "The argument of BHG is ...". Laurel Lodged ( talk) 09:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 11:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Polish Wikipedia is incomparable to English Wikipedia in this respect. There is a huge amount of smallcats in the Polish categories and in Polish Wikipedia they tend to write articles about every parish, which is not the case here. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Even if 98% of the categories on plwiki never had corresponding enwiki categories, that would still leave us with 27 items for the category. That seems like more than enough. - Eureka Lott 16:36, 29 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • It is unsure whether that 2% can be reached at all. We'd better trust on firm knowledge about what is available here than on speculation about what is available in another language. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:15, 30 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Keep or Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. This small category is valuable for readers wishing to learn about religion in Poland by city, and is an appropriate small category per WP:SMALLCAT. Newshunter12 ( talk) 03:08, 17 August 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Games made with RPG Maker

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 08:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Shorten title and make it more consistent with other similar categories. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 08:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support. Consistent with other engine/tool categories. Regards So Why 09:49, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support. Anarchyte ( talk | work) 12:59, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support - Does sound like it's RPG Maker who has made the games, but I suppose that's kind of true. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 08:11, 22 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Support as the semi-standard naming in Category:Video games by game engine. I see a bunch are named "X engine games" instead of just "X games" when neither the category nor the parent article need disambiguation, so that's likely a separate CfD. —   HELLKNOWZ   ▎ TALK 09:52, 22 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:American child celebrities

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:25, 29 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: "Celebrities" is entirely too subjective -- I'm pretty sure there have been other celebrities categories that were deleted for that reason. No need to merge the contents -- it was just an add-on category. Anomalous+0 ( talk) 08:26, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Descendants of Confucius

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Category:Television stations in Roanoke, Virginia

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Category:Confucius Peace Prize

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The result of the discussion was: delete.
Nominator's rationale: Too little content for an eponymous category. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 02:20, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Confucius Peace Prize recipients

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: User:DexDor/Categorization of award recipients ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 02:20, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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Category:Philippine tragicomedy films

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:09, 3 July 2019 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Created by genre-warrior trying to create new, non-standard genres for films. Softlavender ( talk) 01:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC) reply
  • Comment, perhaps "Tragicomedy films" is a valid minor subcategory, but certainly no justification for subcategories of a minor subcategory by country! Hugo999 ( talk) 07:01, 25 June 2019 (UTC) reply
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