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delete and I'm not that keen on keeping the Jewish category, as I don't see how ethnicity is all that relevant to tennis.
Mangoe (
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Delete categorizing sports players by religion is just a bad idea.
John Pack Lambert (
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Delete. Their religion is irrelevant. --
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Category:Administrative territorial entities
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Nominator's rationale: This category holds countries, states, counties, cities etc. It was created by
user:Androoox, a sockpuppet of blocked editor
user:Tobias Conradi, as "humangeographic territorial entities". It was later manually renamed to "Administrative territorial entities" by
user:Eldizzino, another sock of the same editor. That editor has recently been using various IP socks, see
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Tobias_Conradi. Some of his recent work has been using the CFD Speedy page to rename various branches of the hierarchy to use the same category naming pattern. The fullest justification was "not about some physical entities (e.g. woodlands) but about
Category:Administrative territorial entities".
[1] This seems fair enough, but one counter-argument is that the name is rather long and may be longer than necessary. It is high time that the naming of this hierarchy was submitted to a full CFD discussion. –
FayenaticLondon 17:10, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Other parts of the hierarchy were originally created by other editors, e.g. "Territories by language", but this was progressively renamed by socks of Tobias Conradi:
[3] (speedy nomination, which was opposed);
[4] (out of process);
[5] (out of process again). –
FayenaticLondon 17:10, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment -- I suspect that the term that is needed is "polities". However, that may be too technical a word. This is after all only a container category.
Peterkingiron (
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Does it indeed? In that case it should be called country subdivisions. However, I have not been reading it that way, and it is not used that way. Many ancient kingdoms are categorised as "states and territories established in...", and they were in effect countries. I understood the "states and territories" hierarchy to be inclusive, embracing both countries and subdivisions.
Template:Infobox former country populates it (perhaps
Template:Infobox country too), and that seems fine to me. –
FayenaticLondon 09:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)reply
And there is no
Category:States and territories. But there are
Category:Countries and
Category:Categories by country with hundreds of subcategories and
Category:Country subdivisionCategory:Categories by country subdivision. Australia (s,t), Canada (t), India (s,t), Malaysia (s,t), Mexico (s,t), Russia (t) and the United States (s,t): They have or had first-level country subdivisions named "state" or "territory". By which logic "states and territories" could be a better name for the top category for entities named "area, block, borough, canton, circle, city, community, county, department, district, division, hide, municipality, prefecture, protectorate, province, region, reserve, state, territory, town, township, unit, union, ward, zone" than a descriptive term like "administrative territorial entities", which avoids taking position on whether something is a country/state, a territory and the level of a country, or a country subdivision named "state" or "country"?
Would you put country below "states and territories"? If so, why would it be "states and territories" and not "countries and territories" if country is the overwhelmingly used term for sovereign entities?
85.179.110.23 (
talk) 01:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)reply
The looming question is whether the hierarchy
States and territories by century of establishment should be renamed. In that hierarchy I had understood "States and territories" as a generic term embracing empires and vassal kingdoms, countries and subdivisions, and provisional countries/subdivisions like the
American pre-State territories. If other editors read that name as meaning "subdivisions" (which has not yet been demonstrated), then it should change. I would be inclined to oppose "administrative territorial entities..." as too long-winded, and prefer "countries and subdivisions".
RE "Countries and subdivisions" VS "Protests by country or subdivision": any logic behind this, or random use of these words?
77.180.245.225 (
talk) 06:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes, this is standard naming. "Protests by country and subdivision" would be for categories that were by subdivision within country; compare e.g.
People by continent and occupation or the many similar categories at the top of
People by occupation. The Protests category is not like that, but contains
Protests by country and a few other locations that may not be recognised as countries. Perhaps Category:Protests by location would be better for this one. –
FayenaticLondon 09:22, 12 November 2017 (UTC)reply
That is why I added "but keep the current parents". And for that matter, I don't agree with the article
Territory because the word territory may have a much broader meaning (like in the current category name, Administrative territorial entities, which includes countries, but also e.g. animals may have a territory). The article should better be renamed to
Territory (country subdivision).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)reply
So what is your opinion about the nomination? Do you support or oppose the nomination to rename somehow and why? Do you support or oppose any of the alternative names and why?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:11, 4 November 2017 (UTC)reply
RE Sock: Evidence for sock allegation? Even by WP standards not all moves were carried out by socks.
77.180.245.225 (
talk) 06:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)reply
The first move was by
User:Eldizzino which has been confirmed by a CheckUser as a sock puppet of Tobias Conradi. The second one was moved by
User:Derianus which is likewise blocked as a suspected sock of the same editor. Looking at the edits by those accounts, I see no reason to doubt that conclusion. –
FayenaticLondon 09:29, 12 November 2017 (UTC)reply
I didn't say the contents were all countries. My point was that the categories were moved out-of-process. The current hierarchy using the longwinded category names has all been built by Tobias Conradi without discussion. –
FayenaticLondon 09:29, 12 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Just summing up, we have three alternatives here and they all three have a disadvantage, but none of the disadvantages is particularly huge:
keep current name, with a made-up term, with a long name, but it is an accurate descriptor of the content
Category:Countries and subdivisions, it does not cover every type of territory that is in the category, but it is aligns best with current terminology in the category tree
Category:Territories, with an ambiguous term (in some countries?), it is short and accurate (if you take the broader meaning of territory in mind)
Frankly, as they all three have their pros and cons, I wouldn't oppose any of the three.
Marcocapelle (
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Years in Kievan Rus'
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The result of the discussion was:merge and delete. –
FayenaticLondon 15:31, 12 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: delete, these are military events in the polity of
Kievan Rus' so if these categories should be kept then at least they should be renamed to a year in Kievan Rus' category. However, all categories only contain one or two articles so per
WP:SMALLCAT they should be upmerged to a year category of Europe and a century category of Kievan Rus'. And it happens to be the case that all articles are already there, which means that the nominated categories can simply be deleted.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:27, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge to the century categories, per Peterkingiron's suggestion.
Dimadick (
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English-language television programs by country
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Nominator's rationale: Most English-language television programs will be linked to English-speaking countries, and the same principle applies to most other languages, so this is an
unnecessary intersection of language and country. (Category creator notified using
Template:Cfd-notify) --
Black Falcon(
talk) 05:45, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge When the vast majority of programming in a country is in a given language, categorizing by that is just overcategorization.
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Category:Videos of dancing children
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Nominator's rationale: Categories should group articles
by "defining characteristics of a subject of the article".
Dancing baby is a viral video and
Lenz v. Universal Music Corp. is a lawsuit; the fact that one is and the other relates to a video that features a dancing child is not a central facet of either topic. This sort of literal description is more in line with how media is categorized on Wikimedia Commons than how articles are categorized here. (Category creator notified using
Template:Cfd-notify) --
Black Falcon(
talk) 05:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
delete per nom. Two unlike things does not a category make.
Mangoe (
talk) 10:20, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. This is not even particularly accurate to everything in the category.
bd2412T 13:02, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Delete per nom. The title definitely suggests a Commons category, and the content just doesn't match. postdlf (talk) 16:50, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete only one article would actually belong, we do not need one article categories.
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Category:Paulo Coelho
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Nominator's rationale: Too little content for an eponymous category: three articles and one subcat. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 23:08, 20 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --
Black Falcon(
talk) 03:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep. Four (now) articles and subcat seems like plenty to me. I've even been skeptical of various three-articles nominations I'm seeing lately. I skeptical we should go the deletion route with those unless there is no possibility for future expansion. Four+ is plenty, especially given that Coelho is still living and may produce more output. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 18:42, 5 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep - populated well enough for a category about a living person.
Inter&anthro (
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Category:Insufficient Catipedians
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Nominator's rationale: This category is populated by two
substituted instances of a userbox which states, This page does not contain enough cat pictures. As such, it is an
all-inclusive user category... or you know,
one of the other types of inappropriate user categories that do not facilitate collaborate. Editors can, of course, continue to display the userbox, but the associated category code should be removed and this category deleted since enjoyment of cat pictures is not a useful basis for grouping users. I suspect the category code was just left in inadvertently when the userbox were subst'ed. Plus, if
sheep don't get a category, it would be unfair to have one for cats. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 00:06, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. 09:57, 29 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Lugnuts (
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Delete as a pointless joke category that is redundant with one or another keepable one about an interest in cats. However, part of the nom's rationale is bogus. It is not even faintly tenable that this is an all-inclusive category (i.e., in that most pages, including user pages, don't have cat pictures); the obvious and only meaning of this is that whoever puts this on their user page is really into cats. So I'm adding it to my userpage while it lasts, in protest of disingenuous deletion rationales. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 18:46, 5 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedians too apathetic to bother making categories
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Delete this category goes against guildelines for user categories.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:Wikipedians with personal announcements
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Nominator's rationale: Most user pages contain some type of personal announcement or statement, so this category is
broadly or vaguely defined and not a helpful basis for grouping users. It is currently populated by a single transclusion of
User:Zzarch/Personal announcement, and the lone user in the category has been inactive since 2012. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 00:03, 29 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. 09:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding
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