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comment: I am not sure if this should be kept or not. Khatib is the head of a mosque and Bangladesh has a single national mosque. So there has been a few of them but so far only two have articles. I created the Cat.
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Category:Salaries of the office-holders
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Adding 'list' here is questionable. Although all articles contain a list, they are often substantially more than just a list. Agree with comment on income of sportspeople, leads to alternativeCategory:Income of sportspeople.
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Category:Films directed by Ben Addelman and Samir Mallal
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Nominator's rationale: Separate articles > separate categories. Per Ben's article, these two don't exclusively work in a pair, so there is no need for a single category.
Avicennasis @ 14:18, 29 Tevet 5777 / 14:18, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
No objection at all, as category creator. Good catch. Support.
Shawn in Montreal (
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Split per nom Even when directors collaborate for lengthy periods, that does not mean they do not also have individual projects.
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Category:Irrigation in Ibiza
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. Has only 1 entry and unlikely to have more.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 12:06, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Greek mythological hero cult
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Nominator's rationale:rename per actual content, it is a set category, not a topic category.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename per nom The content is about the heroes themselves, not about specific elements of their cult.
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Category:The My Hero Project
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Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:OCAWARD, these people aren't notable because they are a hero, instead they have deserved this hero title for something they were notable for already. Move eponymous article to
Category:Hero.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:57, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment - I created the category and would like it to stay, but I understand the points calling for it's deletion.—
CaroleHenson(talk) 22:54, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete Typically a bad idea to include recent or living people in a subcategory of
Heroes which deals with the characters from mythology and legend.
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Category:UK Singles Chart number-two singles
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Nominator's rationale: Perfect example of
WP:Overcategorization. There is no inherent notability in not reaching the top of a music chart. What is next, singles that only reached number three?
Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (
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Delete per nominator's rationale. —
IB[
Poke ] 05:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete. We categorize songs by their peak chart position only where that peak position is #1, and not for any other chart position.
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Category:Fictional hermaphroditic species
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Oppose merger a
Hermaphrodite organism has "reproductive organs normally associated with both male and female sexes". That does not mean that the entire race is single-sex. The relevant article gives as an example the
Amphiprioninae (clownfish). A "reproductive male" can later change sex and become the female of its "harem".
Dimadick (
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But does this apply to the two articles that are in this category?
Marcocapelle (
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One is about a species, the other about an individual character.
Dimadick (
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I mean does it apply that the species and the character in this category can later change gender? That was your point, after all. The article
Hutt (Star Wars) says they reproduce without sex, that doesn't quite imply a possible change of gender, even less it implies hermaphroditism.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment: I have added
Hermat which more clearly belongs, albeit being less noticeable. –
FayenaticLondon 08:44, 16 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep. I expect that there is potential for this category to grow, given the level of cultural interest in gender issues. I have also added
Trill symbiont, a species that melds with hosts of either gender. –
FayenaticLondon 23:10, 13 March 2017 (UTC)reply
Upmerge to
Category:Fictional species and races as far as I can tell this only has 2 articles that really belong here. The article on Jabba the Hutt does not belong, since it is not meant to categorize articles on fictional individuals who are hermaphoditic, but to categorize articles on species that are such, so articles on characters do not belong here at all.
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Category:Fictional intellectuals
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The result of the discussion was:delete. –
FayenaticLondon 08:47, 16 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: What qualifies somebody as an intellectual is a matter of opinion. Is just being smart enough to qualify as an intellectual? Is somebody who is stupid but thinks that they are smart and intellectual? What about people that are really stupid in some aspects but really smart in other aspects?
JDDJS (
talk) 03:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Support --Too vague to be useful, but beware of leaving orphans.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment The article on the term
intellectual gives three definitions of the term:
Type 1: An individual who "is erudite, and develops abstract ideas and theories".
Type 2: "a professional who produces cultural capital, as in philosophy, literary criticism, sociology, law, medicine, science"
Type 3: "an artist who writes, composes, paints".
Dimadick (
talk) 19:04, 3 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Support as redundant, we can classify (fictional) people by their actual occupation or educational background; "intellectual" doesn't add anything to that.
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Category:Interactions between humans and fish
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Nominator's rationale: The distinction is vague.
Lophotrochozoa (
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Merge per nom Vague distinction.
Dimadick (
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Réunionnais people
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The result of the discussion was:keep. –
FayenaticLondon 12:26, 16 March 2017 (UTC)reply
Any unfamiliarity can be accommodated simply by retaining all the redirects which will be created by these moves, so for example entering "Slaves from Réunion" into
WP:HOTCAT will still work. And adopting the standard demonymic form will allow the use of the the standard classification templates such as {{
Fooian people}} to assist navigation.
I know that in a previous Réunionnais CFD (
2014 September 6), some editors expressed a preference for abandoning the demonymic form entirely. I would support that (with a preference for the inclusive "People of FooPlace" as used on commons, e.g.
commons:Category:People of the United States) if it was used for all nationalities ... but for now, the convention is demonymic, and all sorts of maintenance hassles are created by non-standard category names such as this one. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 00:19, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Oculi:, there are two category trees at play here: nationality, and French departments/regions. Like Guadeloupe, Réunion fits into both groups, as a non-sovereign nation, so the Guadeloupe decision you cite is a good precedent. Scotland, Wales, the Faroe Islands, Hong Kong, Macau, the Falkland Islands, Curacao, Aruba, the Cook Islands, Niue, and many other non-sovereign nations also use the demonymic form. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 01:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep Down with demonymic tyranny. Down with neologisms.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 09:16, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
If you want to change the naming convention for people by nationality, then
WP:RFC is thataway. I would support a change, but unless and until a change is agreed, the convention stands.
"Guadaloupean" is most certainly a neologism outside the wiki microcosm. Google, over 5 years, shows ZERO hits for it. See
here.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 20:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I don't know what sources ngrams uses, but "Guadeloupean" is widely used in
realiable sources. The claim that it's a neologism is plain false.
Keep. Same comment as in the similar
Gibraltar discussion a few days earlier: it seems like a case of
WP:AINT, since we already have exceptions on "Fooian people" anyway we might also keep this one as is. People from Réunion sounds much better.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:45, 29 January 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle:WP:NCCAT goes to great lengths to explain the importance of consistency, and it defines limited exceptions. The general principle of category naming is to minimise (and preferably eliminate) exceptions, rather than to shrug our shoulders. We need a substantive reason to keep an exception, rather than retaining it by default. I am not hearing any substantive reasons to keep the current title, but there are substantive reasons to favour consistency: it makes it easier to navigate categories if they are consistently named, and consistent naming makes it easier apply classification templates to facilitate navigation. Consistent naming also makes it easy to use tools such as simple AWB modules to maintain the categories. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 01:26, 3 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Of course I recognize the importance of consistency in general. But for this tree, as we already allow exceptions, I can't imagine that a few more exceptions would cause additional harm.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep -- one is about birth/residence; the other about nationality. Expatriates do not necessarily become nationals.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Peterkingiron: Sorry, but that is completely wrong. In Wikipedia nationality categories, both "Fooian people" and "people from Foo" have exactly the same scope; they are just two ways of labelling the same thing. Expatriates are explicitly categorised by using that word in combination with whichever naming format is used for that country, by substituting the word "people" with the "word expatriates" e.g.
Category:Expatriates from Northern Ireland or
Category:Croatian expatriates, and all the others in
Category:Expatriates by nationality. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 01:08, 3 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment No opinion on the move, which looks unlikely to go ahead, but should it be the English "
Réunionese" rather than the French "
Réunionnais"?
Number57 10:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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