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Nominator's rationale: Local spelling in both Australia and the UK is "paediatrics" (cf the paediatricians subcats).
Grutness...wha? 23:49, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename - perhaps this could have been a speedy of the bleeding obvious variety?
JarrahTree 00:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The speedy criteria specifically exclude changes related to local variants of English.
Grutness...wha? 00:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename - correct British English spelling. However, that does not mean that the US category should be changed if it is the correct American spelling.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 22:10, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Which is why I only proposed the UK and Australia categories :)
Grutness...wha? 00:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Dissolution of the Monasteries
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The result of the discussion was:keep.
ℯxplicit 00:32, 12 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep – the article is correctly titled
Dissolution of the Monasteries (which is the common name in England for what happened) and the category should follow suit.
Oculi (
talk) 17:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment if could be helpful to have the article renamed first.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:35, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Groan. OK. I'll nominate the article. It could be helpful if you visited the nomination.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 20:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep or add "in England" or "in England and Wales". This is a specifically an English category, but the present name is liable to pick up suppressions in other countries and at other times. However purge: with the exceptions of alien priories suppressed during 100 years war and a few small ones used by Wolsey to endow an Oxford College, they were all dissolved in 1536-9, so that categorising them as dissolved is the same as categorising them as monasteries, quite apart from friaries not being monasteries.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 22:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose, category renames do not lead, instead move the parent article and then rename categories to follow. --
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 04:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Since the RM does not seem to lead to the desired result, I support the nomination here, thus by exception prioritizing
WP:C2C over
WP:C2D. Moreover, it makes some sense that we do not regard
Dissolution of the Monasteries to be the main article, since the article is about a topic (an event) while the category is about a set (of monasteries).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 22:34, 4 December 2017 (UTC)reply
"Since the RM does not seem to lead to the desired result"? Oppose this, categories should support articles, not become their own beast. You can argue freely in the RM, but should respect the consensus there. --
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 10:18, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Not necessarily. Categories are navigational aids. This means that they should support, in a consistent way, navigation through similar topics (e.g. in Scotland, Iceland, Ireland, England). So while a particular topic might wish, for local reasons, to cling to a particular common name, nevertheless, the category may, for navigational purposes, diverge from that peculiar local name.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 11:24, 10 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Categories lose their viability as navigation aids if they become de-coupled to the articles. The substance of the argument made here should be made in the RM on the article talk page. If this thing has parallels in other countries and other times (it does), then the article titles should reflect that. COMMONNAME is being used for local naming minimalism. —
SmokeyJoe (
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Category:Hebrew Bible events
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The result of the discussion was:delete, after moving the main list and battles subcategory to
Category:Hebrew Bible content. As noted, the remaining articles are already in one or more subcategories of the parent category. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 06:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:delete, the category consists of an arbitrary selection of articles regarding the content of the Hebrew Bible, while nearly all of it is already in one of the more specific bible book categories. The only exceptions are the battles subcat and the list article, they should be moved to
Category:Hebrew Bible content if this category is going to be deleted.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 10:47, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Support largely duplicates Hebrew Bible content.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 10:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment -- Apart from the battles which can be merged to the parent, this is a random list of articles on Biblical events. I suspect that the articles will be better categorise under the separate Bible books in which they appear. Distribute contents where necessary and them delete.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 22:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Counts of Aalst
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The result of the discussion was:delete. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 05:33, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:NONDEF, these are three subcategories of
Category:Counts of Flanders but the specific titles are not even mentioned in the text of the articles that are in these categories.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 10:00, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Support Subordinate titles do not usually get categories.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 10:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete -- These 3 categories contain 2 articles on rulers OF Flanders which are already in the Flanders article.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:Cloud
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The result of the discussion was:speedy delete G1. –
FayenaticLondon 00:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: It isn't very clear what this even means, or why the recent U.S. tax bill is included. FallingGravity 07:38, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Strong delete This category doesn't make any sense and shouldn't exist.
EMachine03 (
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Category:National Hockey League first round draft picks
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 05:30, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Sorting by non-defining characteristic. We do not categorize any other sportspeople by what round of the draft they were drafted.
TM 04:17, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose: ... which is an "other stuff doesn't exist" argument. So what? It's a easily definable, not indiscriminate term, and athletes generally carry "He was a first round draft pick in 19xx" throughout their careers. Is there a better rationale to delete than that?
Ravenswing 21:44, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
What part of non-defining characteristic is unclear?--
TM 21:37, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
The part where I disagree with your assertion that it's a non-defining characteristic, that's what.
Ravenswing 22:29, 3 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose Being a first round draft pick is perhaps one of the most defining aspects of a professional hockey players career. -
DJSasso (
talk) 02:06, 5 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Being drafted in the first round is significant for players. –
Sabbatino (
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Category:Arts organizations based in New Zealand
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The result of the discussion was:speedy rename C2E. –
FayenaticLondon 00:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Support per nom.
Oculi (
talk) 17:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Support I created the category and should have used NZ English - I've obviously spent too much time in the US! Thanks
Grutness for requesting the rename.
Slafayette (
talk) 22:02, 2 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -NZ does not use US spellings.
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