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Category:Prussian people

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The result of the debate was merge. Kbdank71 15:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Suggest merging Category:Prussian people to Category:People from Prussia
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories, and the 2nd one (People from Prussia) seems to have been decided on in a previous debate over where to merge the "German natives of [foo]" categories into. It's also a bit more neutral because it's often contentious whether someone who lived in the former Prussia was "Prussian" as a nationality, but whether they were from the territory of the state of Prussia is merely a fact. Delirium 23:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Largo di Torre Argentina

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty Woohoo! 06:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Largo di Torre Argentina ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous overcategorisation for a square in Rome. The available material does not warrant a distinct category and no merge is required since the article is otherwise categorised. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 22:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional visitor centers

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The result of the debate was delete. I know the cat wasn't tagged until recently, but the way it's going, and the precedent of the other "fictional foo" cats, it's unlikely that this would have a result other than delete. Kbdank71 15:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Fictional visitor centers ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category and the category's sole member is already categorised in Category:Jurassic Park. In general, it's unlikely that a visitor center that exists solely in a work of fiction will be notable. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 20:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Universal Century space colonies

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The result of the debate was upmerge per nom. Kbdank71 15:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose merging Category:Universal Century space colonies into (see below)
Nominator's rationale: The intersection seems to be too narrow to justify a distinct category. So, upmerge this category (2 articles) into Category:Fictional colonies (4 articles) and Category:Universal Century locations (2 articles), and perhaps even Category:Gundam space vessels (1 article). – Black Falcon ( Talk) 19:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Rename to category: Gundam anime metaseries or other master category of the series,
    and consolidate all three (Delete).
       There is no reason they need broken out by type in a fictional milieu. One cat will do unless there are tens of a given type. // Fra nkB 04:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
    • comment as each sub-universe involves a new fictional universe with different fictional histories, but some common themes, merging all into one would be unwieldy. They also do not interlink, or inter-reference between universes. (ie. each timeline is a reimagining, or more extreme sort of unrelated reuse of some elements, of the concept) 132.205.99.122 18:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Support nomination.-- Mike Selinker 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional bridges

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty Woohoo! 06:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Fictional bridges ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category. In general, it's unlikely that a bridge that exists solely in a work of fiction will be notable. The sole member of the category ( Bridge of Khazad-dûm) is already categorised elsewhere ( Category:Middle-earth locations). – Black Falcon ( Talk) 19:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 02:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. // Fra nkB 04:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Doczilla 05:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment I would think that in military fiction a bridge could become notable, as part of a battle. 132.205.99.122 19:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply
    • Possibly, though I think it's more likely that the fictional battle will be notable, and the bridge would be noteworthy only in the context of the battle. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 17:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. This is empty.-- Mike Selinker 04:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Missouri

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Supreme Court of Missouri judges. Kbdank71 15:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Missouri to Category:Judges of the Supreme Court of Missouri
Nominator's rationale: Rename, The court's website [1] and the Missouri Constitution [2] both indicate that the judges are called "judges" and only the chief is a "Justice". I suspect some of the other state cats here may be similarly misttitled. chaser - t 19:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:County roads

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The result of the debate was delete. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 01:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:County roads ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete as categorisation by name. This categ only contains only one item, the category Category:Ontario county roads. The category text says that it is intended also to contain similar categories in the United States. Many countries have a similar system of lesser roads which are managed by local authorities rather than by a central govt agency, but difft jurisdictions use difft names to describe this sort of road. There may perhaps be a case for a series of transnational roads-by-what-authority-manages-them (although I doubt it), but if so the categories should be named in some generic fashion, not by the terminology used in some jurisdictions. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom. -- cat inactive and so is its founder. // Fra nkB 04:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:People from Westphalia

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The result of the debate was rename to match article. Kbdank71 15:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:People from Westphalia to Category:People from the Province of Westphalia
Nominator's rationale: Rename, Westphalia is a German region without exact borders, while the Province of Westphalia (the target of the category) was a specific administrative unit. Olessi 18:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete for now. This should be taken up with a larger discussion of how to classify people from geographical/administrative units whose borders have changed. For now, it seems that the people in this category were born while there was such a place, although one was a toddler when it went away. This province for a while was controlled by larger entities Prussia notably, so these people are similarly "from Prussia". Ultimately, I don't think these are all that useful in the context of Germany where borders shifted and one could be "from" many different entities and never leave home - also using transitory geography for "from" categories can lead to POV issues - as anyone of these people in this category who was alive in 1933-45 could also be "from Nazi Germany" a category we probably don't need created. Carlossuarez46 02:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
Rename per nom. Disagree thouroughly with Carlossuarez46 on this, as a place does not go away—it would violate conservation laws! As a former historical region or entity, there are quite a few articles citing the history of such places, — and notable people from that time frame have biographies. Deleting the category would break precedent with a lot of organization of historical articles extant today.
Renaming to match the main article for the category is quite precedented and safe however. // Fra nkB 03:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment Regarding Carlossuarez46's comment about Prussia, the category is already a subcategory of Category:People from Prussia. For those seeking information about people from the modern geographic region, it is also a subcategory of Category:People from North Rhine-Westphalia. Olessi 21:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
Support. Hopefully all this renaming and stuff is settled soon. --  Matthead  discuß!      O       19:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Mazovia

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 15:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Mazovia to Category:Masovia
Nominator's rationale: Rename, Masovia is the most common spelling for the territory on the English Wikipedia. Olessi 18:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Rename. Articles about the region ( Masovia and Duchy of Masovia) use the spelling with s, not with z. Tankred 01:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • redirect per nom's name. Hard redirects have been working since March or so, and adding a {{ Category redirect|newname}} on same line as the various {R from ....} tags allow RobotG or other BOTs to make fixups. Three or four of us worked this out months before summer—including RobertG, I'd have thought it'd have found its way into SOP by now. (ask, I'll dig up the thread) // Fra nkB 03:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Disamiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles

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The result of the debate was rename all. Kbdank71 15:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Disamiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles to Category:Disambiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles
Nominator's rationale: Rename, Typographical error. And there are about 20 other categories with the same error. Can they all be cleaned up? They are all subcategories of Category:Disamb-Class articles. — Markles 17:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy rename as obvious typographical error. Yes, the rest can be cleaned up, but (unless the closing admin feels like putting in some unpaid overtime) they will needed to be listed at the "speedy" section of CFD. Bencherlite Talk 00:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Radio stations in Philadelphia

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The result of the debate was keep. Kbdank71 15:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Radio stations in Philadelphia ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: over categorization. Philadelphia FM and Philadelphia AM navboxes provide listings of stations in this market and are far more useful than categorization such as this. Rtphokie 16:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment - there are a number of city-based subcats for various states, including a few more for Pennsylvania. Are you suggesting that all radio station by city categories should be deleted? Otto4711 17:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
Sure, they should all be deleted. Lists of radio stations by state are being actively maintained and categorized, these city and market based categories aren't and they are incomplete as a result-- Rtphokie 21:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep - Categories and templates aren't mutually exclusive. It is the current standard for radio stations to be present in a singular geographic category, which is city-specific in large metropolitan areas (not per policy but by precedent). These categories prove to be especially important in radio station-intensive states such as Texas and California. As there are 50+ stations currently residing in this category, Philadelphia is clearly a radio station-intensive area. JPG-GR 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per JPG-GR and fact that stations go out of business, but will still have historic articles; admittedly they could be grouped in a "out of business" cat of some sort, that would be over-categorizing, as the station call letters are held off the "market" for a long while by the FCC, hence, the template and cat serve different collection purposes. Buying the noms argument is a dangerous precedent, imho. Templates link —categories classify, albeit with linking. // Fra nkB 03:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:TSSAA Member School

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 15:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:TSSAA Member School ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Rename to Category:Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association members, or Delete as non-defining. -- Prove It (talk) 16:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Rename or delete. Since essentially all secondary schools in the state are members of TSSAA, the category is non-defining and I see no particular value in having it.-- Orlady 21:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per Orlady. Clearly no need to list every school in two categories. Vegaswikian 00:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Characters Portrayed by Leslie Nielsen

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty Woohoo! 06:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Characters Portrayed by Leslie Nielsen ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, we don't do Characters by actor, see previous discussions. -- Prove It (talk) 16:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:People from Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty Woohoo! 07:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:People from Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Rename to Category:People from Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, to match Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. -- Prove It (talk) 15:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Republic of Ireland political parties

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 15:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Republic of Ireland political parties to Category:Political parties in the Republic of Ireland
Nominator's rationale: Rename, per convention of Category:Political parties by country. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Springs in the United States

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The result of the debate was rename all as nominated, except Category:Springs in Idaho, which is empty. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 02:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Rename all per conventions of Category:Landforms of the United States. -- Prove It (talk) 14:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Rename all per nom. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Rename all per nom. LeSnail 15:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • rename all per nom. I created many of these categories, naming them to match several pre-existing catgegories. 'Of' will match the convention, however. Hmains 20:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom // Fra nkB 03:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Japanese hot springs

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Hot springs of Japan. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 02:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Japanese hot springs ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Rename to Category:Hot springs of Japan, convention of Category:Landforms of Japan. -- Prove It (talk) 13:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Philippine Museums

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 02:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Philippine Museums ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Merge into Category:Museums in the Philippines, as duplicate. -- Prove It (talk) 13:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Merge per nom. Based on contents it looks like it was created by someone who didn't realize an appropriate cat already existed, and there's nothing in the cat that justifies a distinction. -- lquilter 12:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Cavite Actors and Actresses

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The result of the debate was relisted on oct 25. Kbdank71 15:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Cavite Actors and Actresses ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Upmerge into both Category:Filipino actors and Category:People from Cavite, or at least Rename to Category:Cavite actors. -- Prove It (talk) 12:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge into both parents per nom. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 19:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Leaning towards Rename per nom to Category:Cavite actors. It seems like a reasonable subcategory to both its parent categories, if renamed per WP style. Filipino actors category is pretty large, and a regional subcat seems reasonable on the face of it. (We have Category:American actors by state, for comparison.) Similarly, Category:Cavite people would have 22 articles if it were upmerged, but they all fall into either actors or politicians, so it seems reasonable to have two professional cats. -- lquilter 12:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Doctor Strange

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty Woohoo! 07:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC) Category:Doctor Strange ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) reply

  • nomination - delete - this article is poorly populated, due to the fact that there is little material that falls exclusively to Dr. Strange. There is, optimally, upto ten supporing characters and villian combined, all of whom could be well navagated through the character page. Currently, the category is essentially orphaned, save a link to a stub which should at this point be merged into another article and will be recommended. 66.109.248.114 09:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete There is really no need for this - there are some films and the like but still nothing that isn't in the main article and even then the category would be thin. Not ever comic titles needs its own category and this is an example of just such a one. ( Emperor 11:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)) reply
  • Delete unnecessary category per above. Doczilla 00:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, nothing here that can't be included in the main article -- 69.182.73.240 07:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional parks

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The result of the debate was delete. Woohookitty Woohoo! 07:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Fictional parks ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member ( Dream Park) probably does not belong; the subject of the article is not a fictional park, but a novel and/or a role-playing game. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 03:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fawlty Towers

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 15:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Fawlty Towers ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous overcategorisation for a television series. Per precedent, eponymous TV categories are not needed when they include only 'characters' and 'episodes' subcategories, the main article, a list of episodes, a list of characters/cast members, and a navigational template. The articles are more than adequately interlinked by the template alone. The other two members are either already otherwise categorised ( Fawlty Towers (hotel) appears in Category:Fictional hotels and is linked via Template:Fawltytowers) or miscategorised ( Wooburn Grange Country Club is a real location where the series was filmed, so placing it in this category is overcategorisation of the form 'location by performance'). – Black Falcon ( Talk) 03:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional gas stations

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 15:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Fictional gas stations ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member ( Corner Gas) is actually miscategorised; the subject of the article is a real television sitcom, not a fictional gas station, and is already otherwise categorised. In general, it's unlikely that a gas station that exists solely in a work of fiction will be notable, especially since real-life gas stations only rarely are. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 03:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom-- victor falk 04:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - such stations achieve fame through a book, film, TV series, etc., not as independent entities. -- Orange Mike 19:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per good grief this is ridiculous. Doczilla 00:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 02:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. // Fra nkB 03:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Sure, that one makes sense.-- Mike Selinker 04:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Wacky Races

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 14:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Wacky Races ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - this is an animated version of performer by performance overcategorization. Otto4711 03:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Planets located at the center of the universe

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The result of the debate was merge. Kbdank71 15:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose merging Category:Planets located at the center of the universe into Category:Fictional planets
Nominator's rationale: I don't think that we should categorise on the basis of claimed location at the centre of the universe. Different works of fiction have different conceptions of the universe and space-time, and sometimes even assume the existence of multiple universes. If kept, rename to Category:Fictional planets located at the center of the universe, to clarify that these are planets that exist solely in works of fiction, or something similar (is there a phrase that succinctly captures the meaning of the phrase 'located at the center of the universe'?). – Black Falcon ( Talk) 03:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete per nom-- victor falk 04:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Llewdor

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 14:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Llewdor ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous overcategorisation for a fictional country; the two members are adequately interlinked. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 02:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Fictional tea houses

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 14:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Fictional tea houses ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member is miscategorised: the subject of the article is a real novel/play/film, not a fictional tea house, and is already otherwise categorised. – Black Falcon ( Talk) 02:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 02:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. Doczilla 05:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete (I created the article and I no longer believe it deserves its own page) -- wayland 23:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Agreed that an article about a play doesn't need to be characterized by the words in the title.-- Mike Selinker 04:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Magic Schools

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 15:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Magic Schools to Category:Fictional magic schools
Nominator's rationale: I think that there may be value in preserving a distinction between fictional 'magic' schools and other types of fictional schools, the category title needs to make clear that this is about schools that exists only inside works of fiction. The current title includes real places that teach magic (illusion) as well as those that claim to teach magic (paranormal). – Black Falcon ( Talk) 02:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
Rename, per nom -- could be a category for schools of magic that teach escapes and card tricks, et al. // Fra nkB 03:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Samurai Jack

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The result of the debate was rename. Kbdank71 15:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Propose renaming Category:Samurai Jack to Category:Samurai Jack episodes
Nominator's rationale: Rename - all but two of the 50+ articles are for episodes. Rename to reflect that and relocate the two non-episode articles. Otto4711 01:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Category:Press Gang

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 14:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:Press Gang ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization for the material. Otto4711 00:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
  • Comment as a heirarchy, the category is fine, but the nom. didn't suggest way of handling the well populated sub-category of Cast members
    2) Since the category is indubitably recognizable in the parent, English children's TV shows, and it is quite possible this one can and will have episode articles that would then have no place to go in a category, I say let the status quo ante stand for another year or so. If still empty then, then delete.
       Further, the main article is under the scope of Four TV wikiprojects , indicating likelihood of added material going forward.
  • Keep-- I talked myself into it above! <g> // Fra nkB 03:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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Cast member categories

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The result of the debate was delete. Kbdank71 14:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Category:The Real World cast members ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Road Rules cast members ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Press Gang cast members ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete all - per extensive precedent against cast member categories. Otto4711 00:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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