- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Without prejudice to speedy renomination. BAND #11 and the evidence presented for it were strong, but was, excluding sockpuppet-based opinions, expressed by a single editor, and the evidence, while strong, was not so unequivocal that it couldn't be plausibly contested. In short, I can't find a consensus here, and the policy is not such a binary test that I can rule that is has been met without further support from the discussion. (As a personal request *only*, while I have marked this WPASR, I would ask editors considering renomination to take a little time to investigate BAND #11 further in good faith before any renomination..) -- j⚛e decker talk 18:02, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Miccoli (band)
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As a non-notable band, self written probably Lixxx235 ( talk) 01:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- OK. Please provide a reliable independent secondary news source that covers this band in a signifigant way, meeing WP:NOTABLE. Thanks, Lixxx235 Got a complaint? 15:44, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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Lixxx235 I will be putting in a formal complaint regarding the harassment and evident bullying that I feel I have experienced by your hand, I hope measures will be taken so this type of behaviour doesn't happen again to new Wikipedia users. Do you mean "meeting" the Wikipedia notable policy? I have provided more than enough citations links and reference's regarding this article. If the page is deleted then so be it. I have had far too much stress dealing with yourself and creating this article. Apologies to the people who wanted to read this article, I tried my best and to new future Wikipedia users good luck you're going to need it.
qbucrs
- @ Qbucrs:I don't feel like I've done something wrong, please provide diffs. I requested to see significant coverage in an independant secondary source, which I felt was not present in the sources. If you feel my user conduct has been poor, there are several ways you can put in a complaint against me:
- Also, before doing that, I recommend looking at the WP:SPI you were notified about. Thanks, Lixxx235 Got a complaint? 21:25, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note:I have opened a SPI into qbucrs. Thanks, Lixxx235 Got a complaint? 16:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:27, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:27, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
*"Keep" per above notable band appeared on media platforms such as VH1 and national press. Been a fan of these guys for a long time.
Simonhound — Preceding
undated comment added 15:37, 31 May 2014 (UTC) —
Simonhound (
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qbucrs (
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- I've just created an account so I can comment on here, as someone who relies daily on information for uni work on wikipedia, I was so excited to read about one of my favourite bands on here. I have also followed them for along time and can confirm I've seen them perform live, heard them on the radio and seen them on TV. This page has to stay. lottierav — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lottierav ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 31 May 2014 (UTC) Lottierav ( talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD. Thanks, Lixxx235 Got a complaint? 03:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- I'm a little confused why there is such a debate over the "notability" of this band. While I understand Lixxx235's concern about the citations I don't think that's enough to warrant an accusation of this article being self written. There are lots of things I know from my walks of life that I could write on various wiki pages with the full knowledge that they are true but not have the citation of where I got the information. The difference here is that I myself know NOT to do so on Wikipedia. I feel this is more an issue of not knowing and inappropriate citing and, should that be rectified, then I don't think there needs to be a full deletion. Not sure how the policy is but can only that which isn't cited be deleted from the article?
- I think Lixxx235's comment about this band being "non-notable" is inappropriate. Just because she doesn't "note" them doesn't mean there aren't people around the world who do. I myself have seen this band perform both here in my hometown of Los Angeles and abroad in London. I don't think that one person's, Lixxx235's, lack of knowledge about this band should mean that those who do know don't have a forum to share their information about them. That's my two cents at least.
Rockstardar ( talk) 17:15, 31 May 2014 (UTC) Rockstardar ( talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD. Thanks, Lixxx235 Got a complaint? 03:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- As a long time user of Wikipedia I thought it would be fun to create my own article about one of my favorite groups, far from it. I spent a lot of time researching and resourcing the links on different sites and putting together the information best I could, I also found getting to grips with the codes and various rules difficult, none the less I was happy to learn and continue. However as soon as I posted the article I had "editors" flag it for deletion. I tried contacting them for help and guidance I was ignored. Instead I felt Like I was being bullied by them to remove the work I had done, just because they were unfamiliar with the content or didn't deem it notably. I'm just a fan of the group and like many others have followed them for a while, I thought Wikipedia was a place of public information not online bullying by power hungry "editors" who post on their user accounts, like badges of honor work they have gotten deleted. The fact is people want to read about this group, they have great music and have done marvelous work for charity, all the references and citations are there for all to see. I won't be adding anything further to Wikipedia this has proved stressful enough. I hope something can be done about these online power mad narcissists. qbucrs ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:09, 1 June 2014 (UTC) qbucrs ( talk · contribs) has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and AFD, and is a confirmed sockmaster. Thanks, Lixxx235 Got a complaint? 03:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete, on the grounds that they don't yet meet any of the WP:MUSIC notability criteria. This shouldn't be taken as a negative comment on their talent or their music, they sound quite decent to me. They're a step up from your average garage band, but I don't think they're quite there yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lankiveil ( talk • contribs) 10:37, 7 June 2014
- Delete or incubate - band doesn't pass WP:MUSIC yet, maybe they will someday. 1292simon ( talk) 13:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- Keep I found some sources: about their awareness tour and a few interviews found here and here. Also found that their latest song Idle Stranger was played on BBC Radio, which should pass WP:BAND#11 With some cleanup and some more verifiable sources, I'm sure that this article will be able to pass. MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 01:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e decker talk 04:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Relist rationale: I'd like to see at least one editor comment on the sources mentioned by MrLinkinPark333. -- j⚛e decker talk 04:49, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - this will sound picky, but #11 requires the band to be put into rotation on a radio station. The BBC link only shows that it has been played in one episode.
1292simon (
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- Comment - I found another different BBC Radio program that played Idle Stranger. The music video has supposely been played on VH1 too. -- MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 21:18, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- comment Fourth question in during interview references "Idle stranger" video receiving massive play on TV networks VH1 and BLISS TV here fills criteria under WP:BAND#11 qbucrs ( talk) 11:27, 10 June 2014 (GMT)
- comment All the citation's and reference's that are provided in the reference section of this article offer significant support for all its content, not to mention the reference mentioning the "Idle Stranger" video receiving heavy rotation on TV networks VH1 and Bliss TV here and as others have also stated this meets at least one of the required criteria under WP:BAND#11 deeming them notable under wikipedia's own policy lottierav ( talk) 13:56, 11 June 2014 (GMT)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr\ talk / 03:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. If the article is kept it should be moved to Miccoli, but it requires an administrator action as that page is currently a redirect. -- Pink Bull 15:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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