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The result was keep. Those advocating redirect have failed to show why this list does not belong on Wikipedia or why the issues raised cannot be addressed by normal editing. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC) reply

List of villages and towns in Latur District

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The entire article is from one website, and I'm not sure the data actually comes from there. The table's column headers aren't explained. There are a few other articles that list cities, but they don't go below the country level for the most part. Fuddle ( talk) 16:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Fuddle ( talk) 16:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Fuddle ( talk) 16:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep, I see no deletion rationale presented, just calls for improvement. Clearly it is verifiable which district a village or town is in (in a country that conducts a census no less), and administrative subdivisions are a completely standard and obvious way of grouping populated places. Even if other lists like this are not yet developed, there is also a well developed category structure organized in this way, Category:Cities and towns in India by district. The nominator did not follow WP:BEFORE and instead just looked at the current state of the list rather than its potential, nor did they attempt any talk page discussion anywhere that I can find before concluding that this list was somehow unfixable. postdlf ( talk) 20:30, 15 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Weak keep Much better to have lists like this than one-line permastubs for each individual village that could instead redirect here. Reywas92 Talk 00:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect to Latur district. This article is hardly useful, the single source doesn't contain any of the populations mentioned (so it's original research) and the table is filled of list entries that don't have articles (there are only nine mentioned in Category:Cities and towns in Latur district). Oh and I can't express enough how I hate those useless serial number columns. Ajf773 ( talk) 01:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC) reply
    • "...so it's original research...." You think the editor went and counted people themselves? You should read my comment above, because it seems you haven't. Maybe the information used to be at the source, maybe they used another source but didn't include it, but it's simply absurd to claim that population figures for populated places in India are not verifiable. I feel like I'm frequently reminding you in AFD discussions that we do not delete content for fixable issues. postdlf ( talk) 14:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Population numbers change continuously. At the very least they should be referenced with a clearly dated source. A soft redirect still retains its history. Ajf773 ( talk) 00:05, 19 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • We also don't redirect content for fixable issues. Yes, it should have references included. That is a goal that should be worked towards. postdlf ( talk) 01:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 02:48, 16 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Nom's com: FWIW, here's what I saw when I nominated this article:
  1. "Until 1 August 2014 the district was divided into 10 talukas." The article suggests there are still 10
  2. I don't know what "Sr.Nr." is
  3. I can guess what "sex ratio" is but I don't know what the numbers mean (954 out of what?)
  4. When was this data compiled? The reference suggests 2011, but the data isn't at that website. And even if it is, it's already 9 years old
  5. Why those particular pieces of information? Why not area or number of schools?
  6. Who is going to maintain these lists?
  7. The whole thing looked like it ticked off a lot from WP:NOT

Fuddle ( talk) 17:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC) reply

  • You have legitimate questions (except for #6), but starting an AFD is not the way to find answers, especially not when the content is presumably valid and fixable. I've posted this to Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics to hopefully get some subject-matter expert input, from those who know what sources to search and can understand the language(s). postdlf ( talk) 19:10, 17 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Sex ratio in India is always calculated with 1000 females as denominator. The data is 9 years old but published in 2014. It takes 3-4 years after census to publish the data. As for who's going to maintain these lists, the situation India-related articles is for everyone to see. - Harsh 18:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 17:38, 23 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Article can be fixed but there is a census in 2021 so not sure how much work is worth it at this point. The data does not appear to be from the referenced website, it seems to be from a blacklisted site which may have complied the data from https://censusindia.gov.in/DigitalLibrary/Archive_home.aspx   //  Timothy ::  talk  16:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Redirect, I agree it's better to redirect this article to Latur district. Alex-h ( talk) 13:40, 27 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep per Reywas92 et al. Better a list that can be improved and can be a redirect target, than a huge collection of perma-stubs. Bearian ( talk) 16:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Merge and delete: All information on sex ratio, literacy, population, village name likely come from [1]. Much of the information is factually incorrect in the article. For instance, on page 111 of the pdf search "Yertar". It is in the Renapur Taluka. But in the article its in Ahmedpur Taluka. Likewise, too many of factual inaccuracies to list here.

    Also, the Talukas have many more villages as per the doc which aren't listed inside the Taluka list. The whole article will become twice (or likely more) its size if they are included. The creator most likely compiled this doc or made the article using a derivative work from the census doc, in a hasty and careless fashion. (The next census is in 2021, district-wise demographic data usually gets published in 3-4 years after the census is conducted in 2021 in India. Imagine lists like these for every ~700+ districts in India, updated every 10 years. Every district has tens of Talukas, each Taluka has hundreds of towns/villages.)

    Closing admin could do a selective merge, i.e only copy the names of the ten Talukas and paste it in a section in Latur district. - Harsh 18:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC) reply

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