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The result was no consensus. Sourcing is in question, but it appears to have been verified to exist. A consensus isn't going to develop to delete this. Star Mississippi 03:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Kesatuan Gurita
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most likely non-existant military unit, cannot find any reference for this unit other than wikilike websites or blogs. Hence, fails WP:GNG Ckfasdf ( talk) 01:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Comment – contrary to "wikilike websites or blogs," there are several relevant results on Google books. I don't understand what is leading nom to suspect that the unit doesn't exist at all.
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- @ SmallJarsWithGreenLabels: I couldn't find Indonesian language source of this unit. Considering that this is Indonesian military unit, there should be any Indonesian language sources that mentioning about this unit, such as on information dept of the military/Navy or National Archives of Indonesia. The only available indonesian source are either blogs, forums or wikilike website.
- There is actually a marine unit that have nickname of "Gurita" (Octopus), which is 5th Marine Infantry Battalion, but this unit is formed in 1962, based in Surabaya and not a special force, while "Kesatuan Gurita" said to be formed in 1982, based in Jakarta and dedicated special force to secure offshore oil platform. So it's safe to assume that they are not related. Ckfasdf ( talk) 12:18, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:38, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I agree that there are a number of results on Google Books that qualify as WP:RS. Justwatchmee ( talk) 01:52, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- @ Justwatchmee: The issue is you just cannot find any single Indonesian source (esp. official source such as from Navy, marine or national archive) mentioning about this unit. Hence it's failing WP:GNG. Also, WP:RS doesn't means it's will always correct, please see Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth#"If it's written in a book, it must be true!". Ckfasdf ( talk) 04:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per above comment. Detail information of the unit on this page at 3rd paragraph, numerous books claiming the existence of this unit may not be wrong. M.Ashraf333 ( talk) 14:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- @ M.Ashraf333: The problem is sources for this article is only from 9 books which all pretty much saying the same things. Also what's written on that article basically taken from Kingsbury. It's impossible to expand it further as those books the only reference. Since it's Indonesian military unit, there should be Indonesian language source that can used to expand it further. But as I explained on the comments above, there is simply no such Indonesian reference. Therefore it's failing WP:GNG. Ckfasdf ( talk) 23:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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