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The result was keep. ♠
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Incorrect.ANYBIO: "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." Individual received 2000 Primetime Emmy Award, as well as multiple nominations.AUTHOR: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." Individual has written, produced and directed several acclaimed comedy series (Friends, Will & Grace, Desperate Housewives).Tagging this page for deletion is an act of vandalism. — Preceding
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John from Idegon (
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[1] the IP identifies himself as Jeff Greenstein, the subject of the article in question.
Meters (
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Keep. Why are we having this discussion? The guy wrote on 'Friends', ran 'Will and Grace' for years, and has become a skilled Director as well.
104.174.3.170 (
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Keep: Greenstein has received an Emmy Award, a clear ANYBIO keep. --
Toughpigs (
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Keep: Greenstein has been nominated for multiple Emmy, Producers Guild and Writers Guild awards. Has written, directed, and/or produced hundreds of hours of US network primetime tv. Satisfies both ANYBIO and Creative Professional guidelines.
Wzzy (
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep: Subject of article has a distinguished career as a writer-producer on two of the most popular comedy series of the past 30 years, and more. "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." To wit, one Emmy award, 19 nominations; multiple Writers Guild, Producers Guild, and CableACE Awards nominations. Subject also appears to more than adequately fulfill WP:ANYBIO requrements. To target the article for deletion seems questionable at best, as the claim that the cited criteria are not met is clearly untrue.— Preceding
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Sazerac (
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Keep: There's no real argument to be made here of why this article should be deleted. Once it is backed up by more citations, of which it needs more and which I will presently go seek for it, it seems logical it be kept. The flag for deletion should be immediately removed, and the page preserved, in accordance with Wikipedia policies.
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undated comment added 03:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep: Variety is an industry publication leader and has been following Greenstein’s career since at least 1999 (‘Friends’ Greenstein signs deal with NBC, Variety, Aug. 3, 1999). His work as a writer and producer on Friends is verifiable from show credit lists since its early years. All of which was the start of a career that moved to key positions on Will and Grace and beyond. For Grace, again, Variety, Jan 2, 2002, “NBC Ups ‘Grace’ Producer” confirmed an Emmy win and other nominations. A brief quote to confirm: “This is a key deal for us because there is nothing more important to NBC Studios than ‘Will & Grace,’ ” said NBC Studios prexy Ted Harbert. “Jeff’s proven showrunning ability assures that the show will remain a well-oiled comedy machine...” Greenstein won an Emmy in 2000 for his work as a producer on “Will & Grace.” He’s also snagged several Emmy-writing noms for “Will & Grace” and “Friends.”” If it’s strictly a question of cited sources then the page might benefit from further elaboration. It appears clear, however, that his significant impact on television began more than two decades ago and has only increased from there as the driving force behind a number of other series, as has been noted by other reviewers. — Preceding
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Keep. Notable and accomplished industry professional. His substantial credits and Emmy Award (!) attest to his position as a leading and notable figure in the entertainment industry.
96.233.102.142 (
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Keep: Good sources, appears notable in the industry.
Dflaw4 (
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Speedy keep per #2 on
WP:SKCRIT. This is based on the series of edit warring behavior starting
here.
Bait30 Talk? 05:42, 7 February 2020 (UTC)reply
The "Lesa Wilson" AfD was closed as "delete"; in fact, not a single person participating in that discussion seems to have !voted to keep the article. Are you suggesting that it be restored because the close was in error? If that's the case you can try
WP:CLOSECHALLENGE or
WP:DRV, but it seems to be have been a fairly strong consensus and a properly closed discussion. If your concerns, on the other hand, are related to other things, then this AfD might not really the right venue to discuss them. --
Marchjuly (
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Not at all,
Marchjuly—in fact, I too voted "Weak Delete" on that Afd. My comment here was only prompted by
Bait30 Talk?'s comment above regarding another edit war, which I found a little disconcerting. I have no intention of taking this further—more experienced editors may want to—but I simply wanted to call it to the attention of the closing administrator. If you or anyone else feels that it merits further discussion, feel free to get in touch. Thanks,
Dflaw4 (
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The administrator who closes this is only going to assess the consensus of this discussion, not necessarily the behavior of anyone involved in it. If you or anyone else wants or expects them to look at something else, then you should bring it up for discussion at one of the
WP:ANs. FWIW, unsourced or poorly sourced content can be removed at anytime from any article per
WP:UNSOURCED, but particularly in the case of BLPs per
WP:BLPSOURCES; moreover, the repeated re-adding of such unsourced or poorly sourced content is also likely to continued to be removed for the same reason. Same goes for the inappropriate removal of AfD templates from articles being discussed at AfD; such removals are bound to be reverted. --
Marchjuly (
talk) 08:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your response,
Marchjuly. I apologise if my comment hit a nerve with anyone—that was not intended—but, as you said, this is not the place for a discussion of this nature, and I have no intention of carrying out a protracted exchange on what is, I think, a relatively nominal issue. Thanks,
Dflaw4 (
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