Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jaat_-_The_Story_of_Revenge References

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, as no one except the article's creator is advocating that it remain in mainspace. I'll honor Unician's and MichaelQSchmidt's recommendations for userfication by moving the article to User:Doburhoney/Jaat - The Story of Revenge, but since the creator has a habit of recreating articles deleted at AfD—he recreated Rahul Productions for the second time just a few hours ago—I want a "delete" closure on record so that this can be G4'd if he puts it in mainspace again without improvement. Deor ( talk) 06:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC) reply

Jaat - The Story of Revenge

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PROD removed by article creator with no reason. (surprise, surprise) Non-notable film: has not been released, what little there is in the way if reliable sourcing is about oue of the cast rather than the film itself. TheLongTone ( talk) 10:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC) reply

comment - This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Doburhoney

we are the bollywood film making team.i shall send proof of my producer id card and writer's film union card. we have introduced south heroine Oviya into the bollywood film industry.i have also made reference below from the three websites and also have made those references in the page :

http://www.cineulagam.com/tamil/news/celebrities/oviya-acting-in-a-bollywood-film/

http://www.indiaglitz.com/oviyas-debut-in-bollywood-tamil-news-107288

http://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/new-innings-in-bollywood/article5993091.ece?secpage=true&secname=entertainment#

READ AND ANALYZE AND VERIFY ALL THESE RELIABLE AND INDEPENDENT SOURCES AND TYPE US BACK.THE NAME OF THE FILM "JAAT" ALONG WITH THE CAST OVIYA NAME IS ALSO MENTIONED

THANK YOU:

THANKS AND REGARDS -

ABDUL ASSOCIATE PRODUCER/CASTING DIRECTOR/MARKETING EXECUTIVE MUMBAI/DELHI Rahul Productions

CONTACT FOR ANY QUERIES - +919585256236 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doburhoney ( talk • contribs) 10:49, 22 June 2014‎ (UTC) reply

@ Doburhoney: Please read WP:COI and WP:NAY. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 19:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Delete Clear COI as written by the production company. No significant independent press coverage. Doesn't meet WP:NOTFILM. Created for promotion of an actress, would need to be rewritten significantly to be encyclopaedic. Potentially WP:G11 Speedy Delete. Cowlibob ( talk) 11:21, 22 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Keep - Excuse Me , mr colibob. this isn't for a promotion for actress or anyone else.we have provided the documents of news inbox journal , The actress's debut in bollywood which was introduced by our company Rahul Productions, the actress's acting in our studios, the actress's innings published in the hindu news paper,AND MORE OVER THE PROOFING EVIDENCES OF THE FILM TITLE AND CREW HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE IMDB DATA BASE Internet Movie Database ...what proof you want more than this!!! send me a e-mail address,i shall send you the scanned copy of vijay basu's id proof and his company.ITS IS NOT FACEBOOK TO CREATE FAKE ACCOUNTS HERE. kindly understand and let this go.I AM A BUSINESS MAN.I CAN'T KEEP ASKING AND PROVING YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN.WE WILL MAKE IT SOON ENCYCLOPAEDIC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doburhoney ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC) reply

The above editor is the article creator and also contributed the long and incoherent screed at the top of this discussion. TheLongTone ( talk) 12:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC) reply

@ Doburhoney: Please read WP:COI and WP:NAY. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 19:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Comment We're not doubting that the film exists. The question is whether it is notable, does it have significant independent press coverage? Follow these links for guidance on what criteria notability is determined on: WP:GNG (for any article) and WP:MOVIE (particularly films). The second issue is that usually people who are close to the subject i.e. the filmmakers in this case, shouldn't create articles as they are likely to have a conflict of interest. Those sources you've cited may help Oviya meet notability but not the film she's in. On a side note, a bit concerned about this editor's recent edits on the actress, Oviya's page. Cowlibob ( talk) 14:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Comment It's a Hindi Language film without a Hindi language Wikipedia article attached. I found no significant evidence of notability which may change. Looking at the page I don't think it currently offers much to the readers of Wikipedia. I wish the production team success with the film but I dont think it currently warrents the disk space here. Gregkaye ( talk) 17:26, 22 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Comment IT warrents the Disk space in imdb and have been approved , then why doesn't it has to be here on wikipedia. now you got proof that film exists and oviya has been acting in it and she is a major part of it.SO will soon giving the references of notable,independent,and significant references.do not delete it.This Article involves a life of thousand employees.Their survival becomes in an vulnerable situation. Respect the film makers and the casting and technical crew. there are millions of films and unnecessary articles in wikipedia.Let this article and Rahul Productions Also be there. Meeting the policies and rules of wikipedia ,we will soon make up.Kindly give us a time.

All IMDB requires is existence. Wikipeida's notability criteria for films is different. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 19:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC) reply

So, do you want this moved to a userpage until the film has actually been released and gained some critical attention? TheLongTone ( talk) 22:17, 23 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Comment Let be on its real page,please do not delete or move it .Its an kind request our team .we will help in future for wikipedia promotions and goodwill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doburhoney ( talk • contribs) 15:32, 24 June 2014‎

Begging for WP:MERCY doesn't help in these discussion. We're not out to get you or your company. All articles meet the same standards. Currently, unfortunately this article doesn't. The option LongTone is offering is a good one, move the article to your personal userpage and make the relevant edits to show notability by adding sources after the film has released and has got more independent press coverage etc. and then you can potentially resubmit. Look at WP:GNG (for any article) and WP:MOVIE (particularly for films) for guidance on what we want for notability. Cowlibob ( talk) 17:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC) reply

Move to userspace. I'm the first independent editor (after the creator, and a bot) to touch this article, when I took out the {{ Good Article}} template. I believe the article creator just doesn't understand the workings of Wikipedia. The pleas for more time, with no timescale proposed, are likely too long-term for an AfD discussion, given that the article is now one month old and still has no reliable, independent English-language sources about the film (as opposed to about the actress). Moving to userspace, rather than deletion, would give the author the time he wants to improve the article, as well as time to learn about key Wikipedia topics like WP:COI. Unician ∇ 05:08, 26 June 2014 (UTC) reply

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WP:INDAFD: Jaat - The Story of Revenge Varun Khanna Vijay Basu Chandan Makawana

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Userfy until actually ready for mainspace. Apparently completed and in post-production, but does not have enough coverage to pass WP:NFF (paragraph 3 (yet). Author is encouraged to visit WP:PRIMER and WP:NOTABOUTYOU and then seek guidance from more experienced editors. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 19:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC) reply

COMMENT - let it be there for some while,we will add more contributing sources.. soon our audio launch function is going to be started...have asked for all press and media coverage. so will add everything.For our clients and artist satisfication ,we had to keep this page alive.so please do cooperate mr. deor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doburhoney ( talk • contribs) 11:12, 1 July 2014 (UTC) reply

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