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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Georgia Tech–Tulane football rivalry
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These founding members of the SEC have met a total of 50 times and regularly played each other in the first half of the 20th century, but there's no notability between these two to consider them "rivals". Sewanee was a founding member of the SEC but they aren't rivals with the likes of Kentucky, Florida, Alabama or Auburn. Tulane does have a legit rivalry with in-state former SEC foe LSU and a good case could also be made for Ole Miss being a Tulane rival also. However, the history between Georgia Tech and Tulane doesn't compare to the history between Tulane-LSU and Tulane-Ole Miss. There's no indication that this ever was a rivalry, as opposed to just a regular conference game. Apart from being geographically located in the southern United States and being founding members of the SEC, these schools have little in common. Therefore these schools aren't legit "rivals" and this page should be deleted. CalebHughes ( talk) 23:33, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
KeepDelete This nomination is written entirely in the present tense. As noted in a similar AfD, Wikipedia doesn't exist to document things in the present moment, and the title doesn't imply currency. A rivalry existed, and the passage of time doesn't mean it never did. Acroterion (talk) 23:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- One source isn't enough, and nothing much has turned up from searches of archives. Acroterion (talk) 17:16, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete. My searches don't turn up significant coverage of this series as a traditional rivalry. Nor do my searches reveal any other basis for arguing that this was either a traditional rivalry or a highly notable non-rivalry series. Among other things, there is no geographic nexus, no trophy, and competitiveness is low (Ga. Tech leads 37 wins to 13). Also, and while the teams have met 50 times, there appears to have been only one minor marquee match-up between the programs: 1956 (#3 vs #15). No other ranked match-up, no upsets of ranked opponents, no matches in the pre-poll era where both teams were dominating figures in Southern football. I'm open to changing my mind if better evidence is presented, but I'm not finding enough to warrant a stand-alone rivalry article. Cbl62 ( talk) 05:53, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
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[1] offers a pretty good history and is already a reference in the article, but there's not a whole lot else in current media. I think the best coverage would be in archives from the 50s an 60s when Tech and Tulane were big deals in the SEC. By my time as a student at Tech in the late 1970s it was more of a traditional opponent than a real rivalry (as opposed to Auburn or Notre Dame, who still were), and since Tech left the SEC in 1964 it had declined in importance. Apart from the Advocate article I can't get a real sense of whether it really ran to rivalry.
Acroterion
(talk) 13:02, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- FWIW, I spent some time going through Newspapers.com looking for older sources treating this as a rivalry and came up empty. (Very different from Auburn-Tulane searches which turned up abundant rivalry discussions.) For me, the paucity of marquee match-ups (1 minor marquee match-up out of 50 games) is especially telling. As for the 2014 source, it struck me that there was no discussion of close games or traditional rivalry elements; instead, the article strained to "find" a rivalry based on minor factors (a 1939 co-championship year in which they did not play each other, Tulane basketball and baseball coaches who are Ga Tech alumni) and similarities (urban settings, good academics) between the schools.
Cbl62 (
talk) 14:15, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Based on personal anecdotal evidence, I'm not seeing much either. During my time it was an excuse for a road trip to NO and a night on the town. During the 50s and 60s Tech was much more concerned with other teams as rivals. Acroterion (talk) 15:10, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- FWIW, I spent some time going through Newspapers.com looking for older sources treating this as a rivalry and came up empty. (Very different from Auburn-Tulane searches which turned up abundant rivalry discussions.) For me, the paucity of marquee match-ups (1 minor marquee match-up out of 50 games) is especially telling. As for the 2014 source, it struck me that there was no discussion of close games or traditional rivalry elements; instead, the article strained to "find" a rivalry based on minor factors (a 1939 co-championship year in which they did not play each other, Tulane basketball and baseball coaches who are Ga Tech alumni) and similarities (urban settings, good academics) between the schools.
Cbl62 (
talk) 14:15, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- This
[1] offers a pretty good history and is already a reference in the article, but there's not a whole lot else in current media. I think the best coverage would be in archives from the 50s an 60s when Tech and Tulane were big deals in the SEC. By my time as a student at Tech in the late 1970s it was more of a traditional opponent than a real rivalry (as opposed to Auburn or Notre Dame, who still were), and since Tech left the SEC in 1964 it had declined in importance. Apart from the Advocate article I can't get a real sense of whether it really ran to rivalry.
Acroterion
(talk) 13:02, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete certainly there is a history of play between the two teams, but I don't see any evidence (sources) to support it as a "rivalry" at this time.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 03:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Delete per nom. Not enough points made in my opinion for deletion, but they're still valid. Redditaddict69 (talk) (cont) 17:18, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
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