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The result was keep. Lord Roem ~ ( talk) 07:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Aclan Bates

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I've been unable to come up with any WP:SIGCOV about this individual. Tons of mentions, but no in-depth coverage. I can't see that he passes WP:DIRECTOR since the only marginally WP:Notable work product I've been able to find is Broken_Angel_(film) (and even that might be a stretch in terms of WP:NOTABILITY). Of note is that a possibly-paid, certainly WP:COI editor is "currently working together with Mr. Bates to revise and update his Wikipedia page." This article used to read like a resume / promo for the director before some significant cleanup. Toddst1 ( talk) 14:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Toddst1 ( talk) 14:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 01:58, 10 November 2019 (UTC) reply

• Keep. Aclan Bates is notable if only because he is the very first Turkish director to make a full-length feature film entirely in Hollywood with American B+ actors. I have been trying to add credibility to the page by providing citations and sources, but it is slow-going as much of the material is dated and theaters don't keep records of past seasons on their webpages. Surely you experienced editors would have more luck than I have with this work. Bedogan ( talk) 03:29, 6 November 2019 (UTC) reply

• Comment. I've provided plenty of links and citations. Now please assign someone else to check them out and write the page. I don't want to write the bio here since you've got me marked as a COI. I'll continue to research and provide links to what sources I can find. Bedogan ( talk) 08:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC) reply

• Borderline call. The sources added by Bedogan are not good RS. However, I have found some good RS. Please see:

1. Twair, Pat Mcdonnell (January 2007). An American dream: an Arab taxi driver overcomes massive hurdles to realise his dream of converting a church into a mosque. And US playwright Mark Sickman faced huge barriers to stage his comedy on the subject, as Pat McDonnell Twair reports from the United States.(MOSAIC)(Taxi to Al Jannah)(Theater review). p. 60-63. {{ cite book}}: |work= ignored ( help)
2. Vittes, Laurence (November 1, 2006). 'Taxi to Jannah'.(Theater review). Vol. 396(42). p. 9(1). {{ cite book}}: |work= ignored ( help)

The sources are not enough for me personally to say keep for sure, but they are not enough for me to endorse a delete either. I will leave it to others to decide. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC) reply

• Keep Apart from the films he has directed (some reviews of which are listed in External links, and 4meter4 also found two which can be added to the article) - he is a director with the Turkish State Theatres in the capital city of Turkey. Even if we don't yet have reviews of the plays he has directed there, they would certainly WP:NEXIST, and he would meet WP:CREATIVE - people don't get to be directors of capital city national theatres without being or becoming notable. The article still reads rather like a resume, and would be easier to understand with the stage work and filmography separated (what is the difference between Director/Actor and Actor/Director meant to be?) I have cleaned up the references a bit, and will try to add to and improve the article. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 13:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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