- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep per WP:SNOW. ( non-admin closure) starship .paint ( exalt) 11:20, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
2020–2021 United States racial unrest
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This is a fine article, no doubt. However, it is a content fork from Black Lives Matter, which is not permitted. Furthermore, it is strongly original research,
WP:OR, which is banned in Wikipedia. There is nothing about 2020 that is special. It is just arbitrary chosen by original research. It could just as well be
1968-2021 United States racial unrest. Another point is that the article isn't even about 2020-2021 for there's a big section about foreign countries. These countries are not the United States. This article should be merged with BLM and redirected. A fine article but not permitted under WP:OR and just a duplicated BLM article with less information. Sorry. And remember, black lives do matter.
Another solution is to just create a new Category. That's what categories are for. If you're interested in a topic, say the killing of Breonna Taylor, you can click on that category and see articles for other similar killings.
Vowvo (
talk) 22:59, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Vowvo (
talk) 22:59, 24 January 2021 (UTC) original nominator votes "Keep" See reasoning near the bottom following the comment of User:RopeTricks
Vowvo (
talk) 23:45, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:03, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep obviously. This is a legit CFORK per WP:SPINOUT. Content issues can be fixed and are not a valid reason for AFD. -- LaserLegs ( talk) 23:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Deletestart a new Category for these killings, which is really what this article is all about. Vowvo ( talk) 23:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)- Double vote struck; you already voted in your nomination. The article is not a list of killings but about the social upheaval surrounding them. Crossroads -talk- 00:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. This is not at all a content fork of Black Lives Matter, but a wider and different, although overlapped subject. One should just check the content of both pages to see it. This page might be renamed, but this should be discussed separately. My very best wishes ( talk) 00:15, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, an obviously notable topic that would not fit in the BLM article or any other and would need to be immediately spun out again. Sources are clear that 2020, especially, is different from preceding years (some of which BLM existed during). Anyone who's been paying attention knows that Summer 2020 is totally different from Summer 2019, for example. And the events are not all about BLM. This talks about all sort of other things, from anti-racist self-education to riots. Crossroads -talk- 00:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This is a wider subject than BLM and a category would not sufficiently cover the protests and subsequent unrest. It is not OR either because the article is properly sourced. Jay Jay What did I do? 03:58, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. There is something about 2020 that's special, and it's the fact that there is enough documented data on US racial tensions at that time to guarantee the creation of an article about it and therefore follows WP:GNG. They have certainly been a thing before 2020, but you can probably recognize that in 2020 it undoubtedly escalated and got a lot more media coverage. It's not an invalid content fork because the article has a different scope than that of BLM's article and the topics, while connected, are not the same; merging it with the BLM article would make the section massive and give it excessive weight in comparison to the rest of the article. It is also well sourced and therefore does not constitute WP:OR. An article's scope falling within a specific time frame doesn't make it original research nor is a reason for deletion. A category would also fail to properly explain the connection, background and consequences of these events. Oqwert ( talk) 15:42, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
'*delete very tough decision because people may think a keep is for BLM and a delete means you're a racist bigot. These killings have links to WP article so the article is really just a category, which it should become. The other info fits nicely into BLM. In fact, years from now, kids will look up BLM but they won't look here. Category could be "BLM related killings and protests". #SayHerName #BLM Vanny089 ( talk) 08:17, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep There is very clearly a current period of heightened racial and social unrest within the united states. some argue it originated in 2016, some argue 2012, some argue further than that, but the George Floyd protests in particularly, which began in the middle of a global pandemic and election year, was the main harbinger of the recent hyper-sensitivity to racial issues right now, and a page dedicated to collating related events during this period is necessary until the social zeitgeist shifts and/or the relative social upheaval dies down notably. RopeTricks ( talk) 19:57, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep How anyone can think this is a content fork rather than a related article or that categories are the way to deliver this information is beyond me. It's not "arbitrary" that this article starts in 2020, the George Floyd killing during a pandemic had a different result than other killings of black people by police. Such a notable topic. – Muboshgu ( talk) 02:47, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy keep this is an absurd deletion nom. This is an event, clearly different from Black Lives Matter. Elliot321 ( talk | contribs) 08:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep - What the hell? These riots have caused a ton of damage and deaths and now we are deleting it for OR? There are a ton of sources for this, solve it by referencing, not XFD'ing this! 🔥 Lightning Complex Fire🔥 14:36, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Notable. -- Kemalcan ( talk) 20:29, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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