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Martial arts

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Maxim Novoselov

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Maxim Novoselov has never been ranked in the top ten, has never beaten a notable fighter (or one with a winning record for that matter), and hasn't fought for any notable promotions/events. Checking his Russian Wikipedia his biggest claims to fame are almost fighting Viacheslav Datsik, getting jailed twice, and setting up a small club in prison. The article is currently orphaned as well. User:ZenZekey ( talk) 07:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment. I think the article relies pretty much solely on this source, https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/autoblog/1020556.html, which covers the subject extensively and is solely about the subject but does not seem to be a reliable source (it's essentially a blog post). Everything else consists of passing mentions or profiles on sports pages which every martial artist has regardless of notability. I did find this source https://fighttime.ru/news/item/30275-boets-maksim-novoselov-osuzhden-na-pyat-let.html?rand=19907 which appears to have several similar articles around the internet of him being arrested again. It also sounds like he won the European Sambo Championships in 2007 according to this: https://mma.bg/novini/mma-novini/maksim-novoselov-se-vrashta-v-zatvora-zaradi-iznasilvane Spiralwidget ( talk) 16:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Elon Musk vs. Mark Zuckerberg

Elon Musk vs. Mark Zuckerberg (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Submitting for AfD as I believe there should be a discussion over the merits of this article. While it is backed by reliable sources I believe it can be argued quite easily that this article isn't suitable for inclusion on grounds of lacking encyclopaedic merit.

Boiled down to its core I believe this article is a clear example of WP:RECENTISM in its worst form, namely something that was created and extended as events unfolded but an article where If we apply the 10 year test it's extremely hard to think anyone will be looking back on this after any serious period of time as a notable event of history given it's an article about a non-event that never happened.

As a result I believe this should be deleted. Rambling Rambler ( talk) 21:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Delete this seems to be a tongue in cheek idea that never happened. It's subjects are certainly notable but the non-fight isn't—  Iadmc ♫ talk  21:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete, this seems to be mostly celebrity nonsense. Esolo5002 ( talk) 22:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: I might rename this article, but this is pop history at this point. The fight never happened, but the "celebrity feud" was a thing for almost two years. This is about as important as the White Bronco chase a generation ago, but it's a thing. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Not only do I think it's rather perverse to compare a non-event media spat to events surrounding a double-murder, your argument is actively in favour of delete given that the White Bronco chase isn't noteworthy enough to have its own article. Rambling Rambler ( talk) 08:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Well, there was no murder conviction, only a car chase, was my point. Oaktree b ( talk) 11:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Martial arts, and Internet. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:CRYSTALBALL: "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." Right now, it's worthy of a brief mention on the subjects' pages, nothing more. Astaire ( talk) 18:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Denice Zamboanga

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An article on this mixed martial artist was deleted three years ago after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denice Zamboanga as failing to meet either mixed martial arts notability or general notability. At the time, there were also multiple drafts, probably because someone was trying to game the system. The originators were then blocked for sockpuppetry. This article does not differ materially from the deleted article. The subject still is not top-ten-ranked, and so does not meet mixed martial arts notability. The article does not speak for itself and explain how the subject meets general notability. The subject's association with the ONE Championship is now verified, but "so what?", participation in the ONE Championship is not grounds for notability. The article has been reference-bombed, but nothing in the article refers to significant coverage in an article that does not speak for itself. This article differs enough from the deleted article so that speedy deletion is not in order; but it does not differ enough from the deleted article to avoid deletion. Robert McClenon ( talk) 04:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Martial arts, and Philippines. Robert McClenon ( talk) 04:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Keep: Sources 4, 8, 9, 20 and 24 are all RS that talks about her, the article seems to meet notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 11:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    Source #4 is her brother talking, and the subject is only namedropped. Source #8 interviews her, and almost entirely consists of quotes from the subject. Source #9 ... inquirer.net is a reliable source, but that's a scanty article consisting of five sentences aside from quotes from the subject, and that barely scrapes by if at all. #20 looks like a good source. #24 is scanty routine sports coverage. I'm not digging deeper one way or another, but they're weak reeds to hang a keep. Ravenswing 02:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comments She has never met WP:NMMA. The first source mentioned above is an article about her brother, she is mentioned in passing because she was on the same fight card. The next three are pre-fight articles about her first match in the promotion's Grand Prix tournament (which would be typical coverage for any fighter). The final reference is a report on that fight, which she lost. Even if you believe that coverage is significant, it is all about one event. Didn't check other references, so I'm not voting yet. Papaursa ( talk) 13:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: In addition to the sources already in the article, there is [ [1]] and [ [2]]. Not sure if it is enough to meet the notability guidelines though. Let'srun ( talk) 14:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The subject does not meet criteria for WP:MMA. Passing mentions, quotes, interviews, event announcement and results are not sufficient to meet WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun ( talk) 16:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Keep Meets WP:NMMA with sources mentioned by Oaktree and Let's run. They're reliable and in-depth enough IMV. SBKSPP ( talk) 00:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC) reply
    How can you say she meets WP:NMMA? Have you even read the guidelines? Subject needs to be ranked top 10 in the world not a single promotion. She is not in the Top 10 (or even in contenders) according to Sherdog rankings [3] and according to Tapology she is #58 in the world. [4]. She does not meet WP:NMMA at all. Lekkha Moun ( talk) 05:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus. I don't understand how very experienced editors can vary so widely on how they evaluate sources and their reliability. But it happens every day in AFDLand.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

  • Comment: She gets a fair bit of coverage in Filipino media [5], [6], [7], during and after matches. This suggests notability. I might call this a weak keep, but I think we have enough. Oaktree b ( talk) 12:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply
  • Weak Delete: She quite clearly does not meet WP:NMMA, and as for WP:GNG, there are a few reliable sources, but not enough content is from them to justify notability, and too much comes from name drops/non-independent sources. — Alien333 ( what I did & why I did it wrong) 17:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC) reply

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