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Still fails subject-specific notability
WP:CORP. Last source cannot be used to establish notability see
WP:ORGCRITE, and other sources are not reliable. --
WikiLinuz (
talk) 02:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It's software. Not a company. And
WP:ORGCRITE does not say that such a source cannot be used.
SL93 (
talk) 02:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
And you're wrong about the reliability of the first source and third source for sure. The first source is from
O'Reilly Media and the third source is from
Packt.
SL93 (
talk) 02:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
O'Reilly Media and Packt aren't peer-reviewed. BrowserStack is a
SaaS company, their "platform"
offers various softwares/tools. --
WikiLinuz (
talk) 02:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It's not required for book publishers to be peer-reviewed. They are not journals. Even
WP:CORP doesn't say such sources cannot be used. You said that the CRC Press is reliable, but that is not peer-reviewed.
SL93 (
talk) 03:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
O'Reilly Media and Packt function as a primary source, providing instructions, tutorials and firsthand accounts. We'd need reliable, secondary sources.Also, in this case, subject-specific notability still fails because tutorials or books of primary works cannot be used to establish notability. --
WikiLinuz (
talk) 03:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Wrong. They are secondary sources because they are independent of the subject. "Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved." per
WP:OR. There are no such guidelines about tutorials or first-hand accounts, and the books are not collections of primary works.
SL93 (
talk) 03:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I think there's a misunderstanding of how primary and secondary sources works.
WP:CONTEXTMATTERS to evaluate whether a source is reliable for a particular discussion or not. Sources like tutorial and guide books are still primary sources because they are considered close to the event of using or developing the software, aligning with this definition. Instructional nature means the content is a firsthand demonstration ("event") of the software's capabilities, making it primary. And such tutorial or guide books cannot be used to establish notability anyway.If the subject is really notable, you wouldn't have to use tutorial books to establish notability. --
WikiLinuz (
talk) 03:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Nope. That is like saying software reviews don't show notability because the reviewer has to use the software to review it.
SL93 (
talk) 03:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I also have peer-reviewed journals that I found on Google Scholar -
[1] and
[2].
SL93 (
talk) 03:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
How are they predatory? You also said in another AfD that
Springer Nature is low-quality which is nonsense.
SL93 (
talk) 03:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
How are they predatory? - Did you even tried to look at the journal these papers are published? Please don't merely copy-paste links from Google Scholar without looking into the merits of the journal.said in another AfD that Springer Nature - except I didn't. I wasn't talking about that source. Also, stick to the discussion in question. --
WikiLinuz (
talk) 03:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Please drop the stick and back off. We disagree. End it.
SL93 (
talk) 03:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Please stop pointing me to stuff. I have been on AfD for over 15 years now. That is not incidental trivial coverage. The idea that reliable sources that are only about the subject is trivial is laughable.
SL93 (
talk) 03:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
You made your point so please back off. Everyone at AfD can see our discussion and come to their own conclusions without a wall of text. It is considered rude to respond to every voter that disagrees with you and can be reported.
SL93 (
talk) 03:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I would suggest a Redirect to
Tata Group which holds a majority stake in the company, as I couldn't find any
WP:SIGCOV in secondary sources. I did, however, found a lot of routine coverage:
[3][4][5][6][7][8][9]Broc (
talk) 12:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I would suggest to Keep the article as a STUB until its contents are expanded. Redirecting this article would NOT serve the purpose. Moreover, if
Tata AIA Life is nominated for deletion, then
TATA AIG should also be nominated for deletion since both are joint ventures between Tata Sons & foreign financial companies.
Indian English Literature (
talk) 03:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Indian English Literature we are discussing deletion of this page, whose notability should be evaluated on its own merits and not based on other content present or not present on Wikipedia.
WP:WHATABOUTX should be avoided as argument.
Broc (
talk) 06:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Redirect to
List of channels owned by Sun TV Network: Needs sourcings that have in-depth coverage of the channel itself, not the programs. See
Hum TV for a decent example, especially the second source (Pakistan Today). This just doesn't have that level of sourcing to show that
WP:NCORP is met. Ravensfire (
talk) 19:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The first nomination was withdrawn and not properly discussed. I am not convinced the subject meets the criteria for "Sport personality" according to
WP:SPORTSPERSON. I would like to discuss it further as the subject does not meet
WP:NMMA criteria. Having fought in ACB, AFC, Brave FC, is not enough and the subject has not been ranked in the world top 10 as per WP:NMMA.
Lekkha Moun (
talk) 18:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep I withdrawn my request cuz as a Persian language user I find and confirm the authenticity of the sources which meet
WP:SPORTSPERSON clearly:
Keep Greetings, Your concern is understandable. But He clearly meet
WP:SPORTSPERSON and
Wp:Bio , Despite of being a athlete, He has become a national symbol in Afghanistan, with support from the Millions of Afghans including former President, ministers, and other officials who recognize his achievements.
His journey is completely motivator for new generation in Afghanistan and India.
Besides his sports career, he is a successful motivator, investor, and human rights activist,
I hope this satisfies your concerns.
Parwiz ahmadi (
talk) 22:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Note: I have fixed spacing in the headers that broke some of the links, but have no opinion or further comment at this time. WCQuidditch☎✎ 14:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 07:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete no secondary coverage I can find, ineligible for coverage at that list per
WP:CSC and the requirement for notability. BrigadierG (
talk) 12:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. As stated in
WP:N(E), "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) [...] are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." There's nothing about this event that indicates it has (or will have) enduring significance.
Ethmostigmus (
talk |
contribs) 11:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It will have enduring significance, we are seeing members of the current ruling party lauchpadding this case for the movement of judicial reform.
27.63.231.66 (
talk) 18:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Which coinciding with the general election, may as well be an electoral stunt that everyone will forget.
Borgenland (
talk) 18:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
A significance in this case my friend is the fact of how it exposes the 2 different India. The minor in the case was let off in less than a day with nothing more than a month of social service and a puny essay to write on road accident on the account he is not an adult. The minor had been allowed inside 2 pubs and allowed to drive a porsche whichunder indian law can only be done once you are above 18. This makes this case have lasting value to the legal system. This is different from most crimes, accidents and is very notable due to the social media traction it gained. The only political or criminal connection comes as an MLA that is a member of indian parliament's son was in the car at the time and beat up by people at the venue of accident and the judicial system was exposed for its flaw in giving juvenile justice and the police did a bad job on this case. Killing of 2 IT proffesionals cannot be termed as a electoral stunt.
PublicHelper1101 (
talk) 17:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: Very much a routine automobile accident, you could replace "Pune" with almost any city around the globe and the story would be the same. NOTNEWS
Oaktree b (
talk) 15:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I would not say so my dear friend for this accident has waters much deeper than most cases, it involves an MLA, a renowned builder and incompetency of a bribed police and hospital staff. The mom of the minor was reported to have swapped her blood making this veryyy different from an average automobile accident in las vegas etc.
PublicHelper1101 (
talk) 17:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The accident isn't notable, the investigation and allegations around it could be notable; that would be a different article.
Oaktree b (
talk) 01:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Your comment makes no sense yet let me explain, This accident involves a builder's son crashing into 2 IT proffesionals at 3:30 AM at a speed of 200 km/h. Accused was handed to police and was giiven bail in less than a day without any notable punishment making this a notable accident. This article should not be deleted.
Publichelper1011 (
talk) 05:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete, Automobile accidents are very common,
run of the mill incidents, sure, this incident may have gotten a tad bit more attention from politicians and the news, but at the end of the day, its frankly
not really news. -
Samoht27 (
talk) 16:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This incident is different from your run of the mill accidents. This time it involves rich parents saving a brat from rightful justice as he was released in less than a day and was given a punishment of writing a "run of the mill" essay and was entitled to a few days of community service. An average murderer is remanded to 2 years of juvenile custody I must add dear dellow samoht.
PublicHelper1101 (
talk) 17:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep It has got significant coverage for now. It will take sometime to see if it meets
WP:LASTING. Ratnahastin (
talk) 17:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: And until then, relevant policies stipulate that the incident is not notable, and an article on it therefore cannot be sustained. If this is still in the news two years from now, I expect anyone still interested can recreate it at that time.
Ravenswing 15:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per
WP:RAPID. Not the right time to decide notability of the subject that has already got enough coverage.
Srijanx22 (
talk) 19:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete This is incredibly MILL and probably didn't need the usual pointlessly rageful Republic/NDTV overcoverage which seems to be openly turning a simple vehicular death incident into exactly what they want. There won't be lasting coverage and it will likely end with private settlements and other justice currently happening now. Nate•(
chatter) 22:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Its may 30 today 1 week after the incident and News show that minor was released in 17 hours, Hospital staff was bribed of 3 lakhs, the minor's father and grandfather in police custody. thier uncle has ragebaited the public, minors mom has faked blood reports by swapping her own blood for her childs reminding us of drishyam 2 and its amazing climax.
PublicHelper1101 (
talk) 17:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete reiterate a minimal casualty toll, non-notable victims (that the suspect was driving a Porsche is mere
WP:TRIVIA) and no significant coverage outside India.
Borgenland (
talk) 06:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This above comment is posted by the same editor who also nominated this article for deletion.
[11]Ratnahastin (
talk) 06:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Stricken for emphasis. That's right. You need to sign + timestamp all nominations,
Borgenland, which already count as your preference to delete (!vote).
El_C 07:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Didn’t notice that in the starter. Thanks!
Borgenland (
talk) 07:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
No worries, all good.
El_C 07:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per NOTNEWS and above in general.
TheKip(
contribs) 08:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete for the reasons others have mentioned, if this is something that will become notable then it's
WP:TOOSOON. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested«
@» °
∆t° 10:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep To say that an article should be deleted only because it concerns a recent incident is not sensible. Should wait for some weeks before doing AfD in these cases.
Shankargb (
talk) 15:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It's not that it's recent so much as it's a completely run of the mill drunk driving crash that killed two people. It quite literally is not notable.
TheKip(
contribs) 17:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... which was stated in the OP. What isn't sensible is to base an opinion at AfD based on cherrypicking only one element of the nomination.
Ravenswing 17:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: Run-of-the-mill car crash of which hundreds of the same scale occur every day. Just because something receives a small burst of news coverage does not mean it is notable.
Curbon7 (
talk) 17:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
1 week after the incident, multiple arrest have been done in the case. The investigation for the mother is on way, bribe of 3 lakhs has been noted, police have said this is not an everyday car crash.
PublicHelper1101 (
talk) 17:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete run of the mill accident without the depth or extent of media coverage, such that it is not notable. The only thing setting it apart is the odd bail conditions, but that is insufficient to give it notability.
Local Variable (
talk) 10:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
local variabled is unable to see the news i assume
PublicHelper1101 (
talk) 17:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete doesn't seem notable to me at all. These types of crashes occur every day.
Sadustu Tau (
talk) 10:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Being vague about this is not going to change my argument.
Sadustu Tau (
talk) 20:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Also my comment was made before more recent developments, which do seem to make it more notable than usual, however.
Sadustu Tau (
talk) 20:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep While vehicle accidents are not automatically notable, this one is a different case. 2024 elections are not really relevant for this incident. This car crash has gained significant worldwide coverage,
[12] contrary to this AfD nomination.
Abhishek0831996 (
talk) 16:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Doubtful over its sustainable coverage though. At this rate it is a mere eccentric news from abroad.
Borgenland (
talk) 16:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete as it's basically a car crash, which will not generate
sustained coverage. If it does indeed generate long-term coverage, it can be
recreated.
OhHaiMark (
talk) 16:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep (1)The case has garnered significant media coverage with each & every update of the case being telecasted and covered across the board. Multiple national politicians have already made comments on it during the ongoing 2024 Indian General Elections. Therefore the subject is already notable enough for an independent page. The incident is of national coverage and has already brought the discussion on the Judiciary and Police executives to the forefront.
(2) Being a recent news, as per WP:RAPID it is better to keep the page for now since there is no deadline to delete the page. Moreover, if its not WP:SUSTAINED in future, it can always be deleted.
(3) For WP:TOOSOON multiple developments have already taken place in the investigation with reactions from many notable people. Therefore it is not too soon and sufficient time has already passed.
EditorOnJob (
talk) 13:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
keep the incident is clearly notable, and it passes
Wikipedia:Notability (events). The incident is being covered all over India in reliable sources. Nominator's rationale "no significant coverage outside India is also inappropriate. Most of the murders, and missing persons cases (from all over the world) do not get international coverage, very few do. When the car crash took place, I thought the coverage was sensationalism, but later the decisions were cancelled, and now three generations are in custody
source. The resulting coverage is now not sensationalism. According to
this, (posted on 23, crash was on 19) it has grabbed national attention. The car crash has also reopened the investigation of a hit placed by Surndra Agarwal on a corporator through mafia/underworld don
[13] Two doctors of state-run hospital were arrested
source. These things do not happen with run of the mill car crashes. —usernamekiran
(talk) 13:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:SUSTAINED. If there are significant changes in popular media, legislation etc. because of this event over the next few years then we can recreate the article. Also to the nom, that "no significant coverage outside India" is definitely uncalled for. --
Lenticel(
talk) 01:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This comment calls for deleting every case even those of deaths of head of state if they had no change to popular media, please use common sense brother lentical.
PublicHelper1101 (
talk) 17:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
What a poor choice of analogy comparing a dead world leader with a local councilman bhai. You do need to make your arguments have more sense.
Borgenland (
talk) 18:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep This is a multinational news story. It is not about a car crash, but instead about social issues such as wealth avoiding legal consequences, bribery, rich young people using alcohol, the rights of common people versus rich, and others. This is not a routine report of an automobile collision, nor is it local, and the story is very likely to have ongoing updates because of further developments including the bribery accusations and accusations of corruption of doctors, police, and the courts.
Bluerasberry (talk) 12:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not least because of the enormous BLP violations contained within, including claims of criminality and intent that have not been fully adjudicated and the publication of minors' and non-notable victims' names. If the topic eventually does receive sustained attention, it can easily be refunded, but right now it is doing far more harm to victims' families in addition to contributing to sensationalist non-NPOV political reporting.
JoelleJay (
talk) 22:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The topic is still viral on social media and spokesperson of multiple politcal parties, and news channel still report the incident and cover it about 10 days after the reported rage break in social media.
PublicHelper1101 (
talk) 17:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep: This incident rather exposed a number of doctors and other people involved due to the public pressure which isn't a normal occurrence if it hadn't been public pressure the incident would have been like any normal accident out there.— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
59.96.89.170 (
talk) 16:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. The incident has recieved notable media coverage along with multiple independent sources covering the topic over a prolonged period. The Indian General elections have ended, the media coverage should be observed over the next few days in order to access whether it was a politcally motivated topic or a notable topic of interest. Keep it for the time being and continue the discussion for the a few more days.
Xoocit (
talk) 23:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting as there is still an active discussion ongoing here. I tagged the article as lacking NPOV but I'm also baffled by editors claiming this article is about " a routine automobile accident" as this article has been greatly expanded since its nomination. What matters is not whether or not editors believe a car crash is just news but whether reliable source establish this subject's notability. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 00:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per
WP:RAPID It has got significant coverage till date. The question whether it is
WP:LASTING will be only known in due course. The trial has to take place .Hence for now it is keep.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
talk) 09:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Speedy keep This is not a random car crash but a unique one. It is still getting enough coverage and this coverage is going to happen for a longer period of time.
Georgethedragonslayer (
talk) 15:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. This incident has caused a stir in India like no other car crash has. Deeper themes of the exploitation of the poor by the rich with money (rich kid killed the poor, but almost got away with it by bribing with money) exist, and it also highlights the injustices that India’s current legal/police system allows. Coverage by many major Indian news providers still continues, alongside social media discussions by citizens.
JayTea2910 (
talk) 15:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Close to 20 sources are routine coverage from the
Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 17 show which is typical for all contestants. She was eliminated on Day 55 and did not play a significant role
WP:BLP1E. The remaining sources are passing mentions from the cases she was handling. Fails GNG
Jeraxmoira🐉 (
talk) 21:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep:Hello @
Jeraxmoira, She is not only known for Bigg Boss but also for her high profile cases and she was in BB House for 55 days and had lots of controversies which kept her in significant role till she was in Biggboss house., Notability doesnot mean how many days you spend in bigboss house but how notable you were in those days matter and references for same are as follows: [1][2][3][4]
The article also has references for the high profile cases she handled like Sheena Bora murder case, Aryan Khan Drug case and following are few references which can prove the notability : [5][6][7][8][9]
She is also seen in major role in the web-series titled The Indrani Mukerjea Story: Buried Truth.[10][11]
Points to consider : She is been known for the High profile cases and then she was called for BiggBoss and then while in biggboss she was in many controversies and was notable by almost all reliable sources.
SAN2221 (
talk) 06:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Source 5 is a paid article authored by Bizz Impact.
10 and
11 - are routine announcements from the docu - series and Pinkvilla's gossip section is unreliable.
All sources related to Big Boss count as one. The high-profile cases she has handled were only covered with Sana as the primary subject after she entered Big Boss, whereas previously, the coverage of her was only a passing mention on those cases.
Jeraxmoira🐉 (
talk) 08:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Check following references as proof and considering notability:
Hello @
Jeraxmoira, Kindly reconsider and review the references given above.
SAN2221 (
talk) 09:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There is nothing to reconsider as whatever you are adding are just paid articles and more Big Boss related coverage.
Jeraxmoira🐉 (
talk) 09:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
If she has so many news articles covering her with few reliable sources, that means she is notable enuff to pass [GNG] and to be on wikipedia.
SAN2221 (
talk) 18:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. A contestant on Bigg Boss show does not make the subject notable and neither any of her high profile cases have any significant coverage in the reliable sources. The subject is not well known who had any significant achievements, incidents or an allegation (even if negative) worthy of notice or relevant to warrant a page on her.
RangersRus (
talk) 12:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Check following references as proof and considering notability and reconsider your views:
Hello @
RangersRus, Kindly reconsider and review the references given above.
SAN2221 (
talk) 09:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete: Being a member of the Women in Red Movement, I always try to improve the articles related to women, increase the number of women's articles on Wikipedia. But unfortunately, at this time this article is not passing
WP:GNG. good luck!
Youknowwhoistheman (
talk) 16:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Check following references as proof and considering notability and reconsider your views:
Those are PROMO, trivial coverage or non-RS. Working as a lawyer isn't notable either.
Oaktree b (
talk) 14:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
DoczillaOhhhhhh, no! 05:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete Sources are all about the tv show, not about this person, I don' see any we can use. delete for lack of sourcing.
Oaktree b (
talk) 14:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom sources are about the show rather than the subject.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (
talk) 10:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I cant find any mention of this school in reliable secondary sources, fails notability requirements for school (
WP:NSCHOOL). Ratnahastin (
talk) 02:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 02:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 02:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply