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WP:NCRYSTAL. Nothing about the election has been declared yet, no WP:RS are currently talking about it. Should be recreated closer to the election, once actual sources start discussing it.
I've found 3 sources for this election, but they're not in depth enough to require the article right now, imo -
[1][2][3]Soni (
talk) 13:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep Next elections pass
WP:CRYSTAL. I'm not sure what makes this one different.
SportingFlyerT·C 23:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There will be a number of duplicate comments on this given how 5 different AFDs were based on the same prior consensus (they didn't fall under
WP:MULTIAFD by my read). So I'm going to make all general comments about evaluation of NCRYSTAL and similar on
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Next Assam Legislative Assembly election instead of replying the same things 5x. I'll keep finding sources or replying about sources in each specific AFD.
Soni (
talk) 23:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete. Too many of these future prediction pages.
WP:TOOSOON. Way down in the future and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nor is it a collection of unverifiable content.
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DoczillaOhhhhhh, no! 07:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yet another article appears to cover a series of conflicts spanning over a century, which have been amalgamated into many 'wars.' The only source
Jaques Tony cited for this title and its prolonged duration does not support the timeline mentioned in the lead and infobox (note that timeline in lead and infobox aren't aligned). This discrepancy creates confusion and suggests a lack of notability. Additionally, the article seems to rely heavily on
WP:SYNTH and
WP:POVFORK, which is concerning. I hope we don't get to see another non notable 'wars' article spanning centuries or even millennia.
Based Kashmiri (
talk) 06:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I am confused as to why this article has been nominated for deletion. The article adheres to Wikipedia's standards for reliability and notability. The nominator mentioned
WP:SYNTH, so they should identify all the self-published sources and unreliable citations in the article that they believe should be removed.Please all those sources here so that we can talk on that easily.
Additionally, the nominator has raised concerns regarding the accuracy of the names and timelines of the wars mentioned in the article.I have already provided a citation for the nomenclature used in the article's headings.Since the article is heavily reliant on multiple sources, it should include references for the commencement and conclusion of the war, forming the timeline of the conflict.Here I have already cited the sources for the timeline too.I can cite the source with quotation to get easily identify the timeline.
Suggestion:-Nominator as well as the reviewers must thoroughly check all the sources.If there is any problem regarding any reference or source or any paragraph requires more Citation,you may assist by adding tags of citation needed for further editing.
The article doesn't adhere to Wikipedia policies and no you haven't cited any source for this fictional timeline of nearly 200 years simply because there's no source defining such a prolonged timeline. Jaques Tony's source is not enough. You have clearly mixed up every war and conflict between Vijaynagar empire and Deccan sultanates without providing enough sources for its notability and timeline.
Based.Kashmiri(🗨️) 10:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Please specify which Wikipedia policies the article is not adhering to. If there are concerns about the timeline, I can provide specific sources with quotations to demonstrate that the article is accurately written, including the correct timeline for the wars. All sources used in the article are non-fiction.
2)The end of the Vijayanagar Empire did not, however, mean an end to the wars, for Bijapur and Golconda now began to dispute the division of the spoils.
(B)Doubts regarding the timeline-
1)Tony Jaques mentioned the last battle as battle of talikota 1565,
[5]
2)But the war lasted even after 1565- Untill 1673-final conquest[6]pg.33
The final conquest:
In 1672, Abul Hasan Qutb Shah, the last of the Golconda Sultans, ascended the throne. The following year saw the resumption of hostilities between Madurai and Thanjavur. Thanjavur was invaded once again in 1673, and was finally defeated, and the Nayak, Vijayaraghava, was killed[7]pg.33
I hope the nominator will recheck the all sources and will mention all the self published sources cited in the article.As he had referred to
WP:SYNTH to give an excuse for the deletion of the article.
I don't think one source would be enough for the title. No other source other than
Jaques Tony calls it "Wars of the Deccan sultanates", that too gives only the timeline of 1520-1565. I still don't get how come you create an article of nearly 200 years war article. And then you cited
this source which contradicts other sources and nowhere this source supports your preferred timeline of 1495-1673. You're just cherry picking info from different sources which is what we call
WP:SYNTH. Moreover you're quoting a different conflict from the same source which is not even related to the Vijaynagar empire. It's just a synth mess.
Based.Kashmiri(🗨️) 10:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete this article contains many misinformation and not neutral at all. Recently I removed misleading info which is not even in the source.
Theophilusbisio (
talk) 09:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Theophilusbisio I have reverted your edits to the last version of Kemilliogolgi. Please don't remove any content while the deletion discussion is ongoing. Regards.
Based.Kashmiri(🗨️) 11:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There seems to be some confusion here about our policies and guidelines.
It doesn't matter if the article is inaccurate or not neutral. Or a complete mess. That is because
deletion is not cleanup. If an article can be improved through normal editing,
simply fix it.
The nominator and the reviewers at
Articles for deletion do not have to check the sources. If you want that, put the article up for
Peer Review.
"Cherry picking info from different sources" is not what we call
WP:SYNTH. Synth is when you combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source.
If an article is
WP:POVFORK, then the nominator should specify what article it is forked from.
Given that the deletion criteria are unsupported, the article is going to be kept.
Hawkeye7(discuss) 08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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[9][10]Ratnahastin(
talk) 15:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
As I'm sure you are aware, not all news around the world is in English. The sources here include Mathrubhumi which has a readership of 970,000 daily,
Asianet (TV channel), Kerala Kaumudi, etc. If you read
WP:AUD it literally says " Significant coverage in media with an international, national, or at least regional audience (e.g., the biggest daily newspaper in any US state) is a strong indication of notability." If Kerala was located in the US, it would be the second-most populous state after California. --
Soman (
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Daniel (
talk) 03:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Non-notable religious figure. Half of the hits I get from searching for sources (string:"baker ninan fenn") are
non-responsive; the other half are useless as sources for Fenn. —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 20:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind
WP:BLP also applies here! —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 16:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Daniel (
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Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind
WP:BLP also applies here! —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 16:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Keep: Clean up and sourcing is not deletion. A Metropolitan of a major diocese is notable by virtue of his office per
WP:BISHOPS. I still believe sources may exist offline. Safari ScribeEdits!Talk! 02:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Daniel (
talk) 03:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep per above. This church is a part of the wider Orthodox church and there is no reason why its bishops would not be notable. Keralan bishops of all denominations seem to be challenged more than European ones, presumably because most sources will be in the local languages and/or offline. Here are some additional Eng lang ones, searching on "Yakob Mar Elias":
[25],
[26],
[27].
Ingratis (
talk) 05:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Note: The sources have been fixed to not be dead; the first is of unknown authorship and the second doesn't discuss Yaqu'b in depth (though "Yaq'ub" gets name-dropped a fair bit). —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 22:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind
WP:BLP also applies here! —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 16:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Daniel (
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Non-notable religious figure. Google search (string:"abraham julios") turns up barely anything, and the lot of it is unusable as sources. —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 20:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind
WP:BLP also applies here! —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 16:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Daniel (
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Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind
WP:BLP also applies here! —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 16:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Daniel (
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Non-notable religious figure. Google search (string:"thomas koorilos") turns up no usable sources what-so-ever, mainly profiles and name-drops. —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 20:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 12:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind
WP:BLP also applies here! —
Jéské Courianov^_^vthreadscritiques 16:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Keep: Though a weak keep per
WP:SIGCOV slight, the subject meets
WP:SNG for religious related. A metropolitan Bishop is notable and there is possibility of sources about him. Clean up is not deletion pls! Safari ScribeEdits!Talk! 15:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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