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12 January 2016
- Suspected sockpuppets
Two highly suspicious edits on
Jonathan Mitchell and
Aspies for Freedom by the IP. The most obvious one one is on the former page
here. The IP has removed both a COI tag which has been admitted to by the sockmaster, and the neutrality tag which is also primarily aimed at the sockmaster from what I can tell from the
talk page (the IP reporting it being labeled a sock I think isn't relevant in this SPI). The sockmaster has previously removed the COI tag
here,
here and
here. The edit on the latter page added a citation needed tag, consistent with Ylevental's edits removing information that already had the tags added
here and
here. It appears that Ylevental may be attacking articles that hold the opposite views to that of Jonathan Mitchell and using his IP to try and not be detected. Please investigate, especially as the sockmaster has identified as a subject of COI. Check user is requested to verify socking.
1.136.97.87 (
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- There's another sock that I have just added. See the edit
here. Another attempt to remove the tags as mentioned in the report above.
1.136.96.17 (
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- I've declined the CU request. We rarely disclose the IP(s) of named accounts.--
Bbb23 (
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- The IPs are probably connected, but they are stale and I am not going to block them. I don't see strong enough evidence to connect them to the master, so I'm closing this with no action.
Vanjagenije
(talk) 00:52, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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10 November 2016
Suspected sockpuppets
The sockmaster created the article
Matthew Belmonte
here. When another IP added a notability tag
here the IP in question on this investigation came in and attempted to add material to counter it through six edits
here. Now while that by itself may seem not enough I would add the following evidence. The sockmaster added
these two edits to
History of Asperger syndrome. Another IP reverted it as opinion
here but the IP in question
put it back. This is more suspicious. There is more proof but it is subject to oversight I believe as it involves the WHOIS of the IP and the off wiki identity of the sockmaster, so it can't be added here. This sockmaster has been previously investigated but the investigation went stale.
101.182.161.253 (
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This is true, but how are trying to revert a couple edits on
History of Asperger syndrome only once and adding more notable sources to the
Matthew Belmonte article as requiested considered problematic, which is what sockpuppet investigations are about?
Ylevental (
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- Please note that the user has admitted to socking. Whether or not it's problematic is irrelevant.
101.182.161.253 (
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- According to
WP:SOCK, socking is only considered to be unethical when the purpose is improper. There are no unethical edits in this case.
Ylevental (
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- But it doesn't make it right. Whether or not it is unethical is again irrelevant.
101.182.161.253 (
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Ylevental is incorrect. Their edits without logging in did in fact constitute socking because they avoided scrutiny of their named account. I have therefore warned the user on their Talk page. Closing.--
Bbb23 (
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09 August 2019
Suspected sockpuppets
Logging out to edit articles of people he has noted conflicts of interest with.
WP:DUCK...
anomalapropos (
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- The IPs haven't been used in quite some time. Closing.
Bbb23 (
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13 June 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
In the discussions at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shain Neumeier (2nd nomination) and WP:ANI
Special:Permalink/962393327#User:Ylevental paying for edits in order to advance AfD goals Ylevental admits to hiring Podcaster7.
WP:MEAT & UPE.
Cabayi (
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We are not the same person for sure. Our IP addresses are very different, as we are in different locations, and we edit very different articles. Our contribution histories are very different, and I am not sure if she would be considered to be a "new editor". I simply asked this individual to remove excess article details, since most sources were clearly first person/passing mention
Talk:Shain Neumeier. I just didn't want to wait too long for someone else to do it voluntarily, and wanted someone more skilled than me. This person accepts most projects; I never told her about my intentions. I can provide more details about the contracts and other things if needed.
Ylevental (
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- I can tell you that this person, at one time, used the account
User:TP495 (Redacted)
Ylevental (
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- When I said "a couple others", I was thinking of account names she may have mentioned, but I couldn't find them. Again, I didn't know about the previous investigations. I have made mistakes before, but I think all this recent tension is clouding my head. Part of it is that I am really disconnected because of the quarantine. I removed the AFD, which I didn't even know I could.
Ylevental (
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Cabayi, The pages that I was involved in that were edited were
Jonathan Mitchell (writer),
Shain Neumeier, and
Draft:Thomas Clements (writer) under
Special:Contributions/79.168.223.246. However, for her other accounts, it does seem that they are connected to
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Safaque socks, which I had no idea about.
Ylevental (
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Cabayi, The only ones I can honestly identify on the articles that I edited are
Special:Contributions/79.168.223.246,
User:TP495, and
User:Podcaster7. I thought Podcaster7 was a different person entirely at first. I had no idea about the
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Safaque situation.
Ylevental (
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Cabayi, I am not a sockpuppet of
Ylevental as I was hired by him. I did my paid disclosure on the article talk page while editing the
Shain Neumeier page. Every single paid work that I have done, has been declared on Wikipedia (either article talk page or my user page). I want to let you know that
User:TP495 was my old account but I forgot its password, the last edit requested by TP495 was in September 2019. Podcaster7 was created in June 2019 but started editing only in February 2020. I have never used multiple accounts at one time and have not breached the policy on
WP:MEATpuppet. The accusation of being a sock puppet of Ylevental is completely wrong as he had just hired me to reduce the overall size of the page by removing redundant information, while staying aware that removing referenced content is considered vandalism in Wikipedia. I don't know why he wanted the page deleted. It was incorrect of Ylevental to include a link that revealed personal information about me, as per
WP:PRIVACY.--
Podcaster7 (
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Podcaster7, Sorry about that, I wasn't sure what he was looking for. Why did you switch to a different account this time? I think Wikipedia usually recommends one account only.
Ylevental (
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Cabayi, as requested, my previous account was TP495, which I stopped using for the reason mentioned above. --
Podcaster7 (
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Clerk note: -
Ylevental, given your two statements...
- and the definitions of sockpuppetry at
WP:ILLEGIT
- Creating an illusion of support: Alternative accounts must not be used to give the impression of more support for a position than actually exists.
- Contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts: Editors may not use more than one account to contribute to the same page or discussion in a way that suggests they are multiple people.
- How is Podcaster7 anything other than a
WP:MEATpuppet? How are you not a puppet master?
- Podcaster7 has only 57 contributions to the wiki. Either you hired a newcomer (implausible) or you hired someone using multiple accounts - what are they? Are there more sleeper accounts available to your employee?
- A full disclosure is (in my opinion) the only way to qualify for more lenient treatment.
Cabayi (
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Cabayi, following some time spent on Google, I think it's highly likely that Podcaster7 is a sock account for a long-term UPE editor and would recommend we go for checkuser on them. Not going to endorse myself since you're already working this and I don't want to step on your toes.
creffett (
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- Oh, it looks like there's already an SPI for it - based on Ylevental's comments above, I think that TP495 and Podcaster7 are
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Safaque socks.
creffett (
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Ylevental, "There are a couple others, but I don't remember." Here's a
list of the articles you've edited in order of the number of edits you've made to them. That should help prompt your memory so that you can identify the socks who have edited on your behalf.
Cabayi (
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Ylevental, You seem to have missed the point. The objective was for you to "identify the socks who have edited on your behalf", not just confirm which articles were involved. Confirming three articles and an IP who has edited just one of them is hardly full disclosure.
Cabayi (
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Podcaster7, please list all of your previous accounts.
creffett (
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- I've filed a case for Podcaster7, TP495, and 79.168.223.246 at
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Safaque. While Podcaster7 may have abided by the UPE rules they're still blocked as socks of Safaque.
- Which leaves Ylevental. This is the fourth SPI report for Ylevental. There's no scope for ignorance of the rules after three previous visits here. The commissioning was done with the intent of reducing the article size while concealing Ylevental's role as the motivating mind behind that reduction. I'll leave it for another clerk/admin to assess the contrition and cooperation against the intentional deception - I'm too close to the probing to be impartial at this point.
Cabayi (
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- After four SPIs and multiple warnings, Ylevental's account at the bank of AGF is badly overdrawn. Indef and tagging. closing. Maybe Podcaster7 needs their tag updated to include an alt-master, but I'll leave that to somebody else if they feel so inclinded. --
RoySmith
(talk) 18:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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26 September 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
Pro forma report. See below.
Mz7 (
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- This is
Likely based on a combination of technical and behavioral evidence. Back in March, the master floated the idea of nominating the
Media coverage of Bernie Sanders article for deletion
[1]. Among Atdevel's first edits were to nominate this article for deletion
[2]. There are a few other peculiarities here.
Blocked and tagged, closing.
Mz7 (
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- Note: more information about these blocks is available to checkusers at
[3].
Mz7 (
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16 February 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
Editor states on their User page that this is their current account. I guess it could be a joe job but why would anyone do that? They must not realize that they are guilty of ban evasion because they are very open about using a new, different account.
Liz
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Liz
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16 February 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
Evidence is primarily edits at
Shain Neumeier. It speaks to block avoidance.
SVT
Cobra 04:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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- Sorry, I reversed the accounts: the primary is supposed to be
User:Ylevental with the puppet account as
User:Yleventa2 which is still editing despite the "retired" tag. --
SVT
Cobra 05:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
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