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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory(
u •
t •
c) 14:35, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete - I suppose I can see keeping some redirects that are worded '
How _______' in some fashion, but the unusual capitalization makes me think that this specifically is unhelpful.
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Not all electric
cameras are digital. It's probably best to delete this redirect since not all cameras through history have been electronic either.
Steel1943 (
talk) 18:53, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment - A reader could likely be trying to find something like the details on a general concept article, such as '
history of the camera'.
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Digital Camera FinePix A345 Ver1.00
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The result of the discussion was retarget to
Fujifilm FinePix A350. ~ Amory(
u •
t •
c) 14:33, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Not mentioned in target article. In addition, per the way which this redirect is formatted, it is probably overly-
WP:PRECISE to where there may be an option for either retargeting or deleting per
WP:REDLINK.
Steel1943 (
talk) 18:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Retarget to
FinePix A345 as a {{R from EXIF}} (I'll add this tag without prejudice). This is the value of the "Software used" field in the
EXIF of at least some photographs on Commons taken using that model of camera, see for example
File:Mori Sengen Shrine01.JPG (you might need to view the file on Commons to see the EXIF information). The values of certain fields, including this one, that are written by the camera software are automatically linked to pages of that exact title on Wikipedia.
Thryduulf (
talk) 16:40, 10 May 2018 (UTC)reply
If Wikipedia or Commons is placing and linking that string, then yes, reconsider to redirect as above. Is there a way to tag such uses?
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 15:25, 11 May 2018 (UTC)reply
I'm not quite sure I've understood your question, but there is no possible way (that I or anyone who has edited the {{R from EXIF}} template knows about) to find which images have this string in their EXIF using what links here or similar. It is misleading to say that Wikipedia/Commons is "placing" the link - it is placed in the EXIF information by the camera when the photograph is taken, Commons at least (I haven't looked on en.wp or other English language projects) just chooses to link that string to here - turning it off would obviously require consensus at that project. I don't think it is possible to link to something other than the exact string, but it's been several years since I last investigated that.
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Coin card
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The result of the discussion was delete. Am I the only one who thought of laundromats/laundry machines that have you put cash on a card and then use that at the machine? No? Anyway, delete. ~ Amory(
u •
t •
c) 14:31, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Not mentioned in the target article.
Steel1943 (
talk) 18:46, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Appears to be a neologism that hasn't caught on in any news articles.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff) 16:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment I've hidden (from non-admins) the edit summary used when creating this redirect. It was "A digital credit card that is pretty cool." followed by the name of a non-notable person (not unlikely a classmate) and the adjective "sucks".
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Template:Digital currency
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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory(
u •
t •
c) 14:29, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:XNR from the "Template:" namespace to the article namespace.
Steel1943 (
talk) 18:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete as a remnant of a page-move mistake from 2013. –
Uanfala (talk) 09:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete. Template → article is possibly the type of cross-namespace redirect that is least often a good thing to have, and this is not an exception to that general case.
Thryduulf (
talk) 16:49, 10 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete as an apparent remnant of a move mistake. No need to keep this around. --
TheSandDoctorTalk 06:18, 17 May 2018 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Much obliged to
AngusWOOF, as per usual ~ Amory(
u •
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c) 17:39, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
The words "woman" or "women" are not present in the target article. Per the list of references, this title seems to refer to a specific publication of some sort; if that is the case, it would seem as though this redirect should be deleted per
WP:REDLINK.
Steel1943 (
talk) 17:23, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Move to Woman's Intuition and dabify. It is being used for multiple titles for television shows and song titles.
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The result of the discussion was keep. ~ Amory(
u •
t •
c) 14:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Not mentioned in target (possibly a different mountain? If not, not a very likely typo). If I am missing something or content is added appropriately, I will happily withdraw.
TheSandDoctorTalk 07:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC); edited 07:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep it's the same mountain, there's three issues here in transcribing the Arabic name جبل الجلالة into English:
Keep per above - all understandable transliterations.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk) 10:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep as sensible romanisations, though I'm not sure all the capitalisation variants are necessary. –
Uanfala (talk) 09:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep Mountain as above. I think if we get rid of the lower-case "mountain" ones, the cap ones will still show up in search. I'm a bit confused though as to the difference between the second and third entries Al-Jalala Mountain and Al-Jalala Mountain?
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Template:Tooltip
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The result of the discussion was Deprecate. Following the plan set out by
Tavix and
Kusma:
Appropriate uses should be converted to use {{Abbr}}; Any non-abbreviations should be removed or replaced with footnotes.
Once all uses are cleared, {{Tooltip}} will be replaced with an error message, something along the lines of {{Tooltip}} is deprecated. {{Abbr}} should be used to provide
accessible use of abbreviations, but other uses of tooltips should be avoided.
I imagine this would likely be done largely with AWB assistance, but I think advertising at
WP:AWB/TA might be inappropriate as this is will be a bit of a process and will require human decision making. I'll wait until this evening and mull it over, in case anyone here has
comments or suggestions as to how to move forward. ~ Amory(
u •
t •
c) 17:31, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
This template was originally turned into a redirect in
this discussion.
Nominated for deletion. While the name of this redirect is accurate to its functional purpose, use of this template suggests general use of tooltips is acceptable, in contradiction to
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility § Text, which states: "Do not use techniques that require interaction to provide information, such as tooltips or any other "hover" text. Abbreviations are exempt from these requirements, so the {{abbr}} template may be used to indicate the long form of a word.". Since this template is widely used, I have started a
bot task request for replacing it (among other purposes), should this discussion be in favor of deleting it.
E to the Pi times i (
talk |
contribs) 04:08, 31 March 2018 (UTC)reply
The redirect probably shouldn't be there; may want to put it in
Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Template_redirects first for a while; COSMETICBOT is a hindrance but you could in theory, at least, get a consensus for the cosmetic edits if they seem important enough
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 12:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)reply
If this discussions is favor of deleting, COSMETICBOT will not be a concern, as it states: "Consensus can, as always, create exceptions for particular cosmetic edits. For example, the community frequently determines that a particular template should be substituted so it can be deleted, even though the substitution does not change the output of the page."
Keep The redirect name is
easy to guess name. As to abuse, using AWB's database scanner there are only 204 that exceed 140 characters \{\{\s*(?:[Tt]emplate:|)(?:[Aa]bbreviation|[Aa]bbrv|[Aa]bbr|[Dd]efine|[Mm]ousetext|[Tt]ooltip)\s*[|][^{}]{140,}\}\} Those should be fixed but no reason for nuking this redirect. —
Dispenser 13:35, 31 March 2018 (UTC)reply
That isn't the only abuse; per accessibility concerns tooltips shouldn't be used unless they are for abbreviations
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 13:38, 31 March 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Dispenser: My concern is the name is misleading to its purpose, which is expanding abbreviations (stated in WP:ACCESSIBILITY, as I mentioned in the nomination above). The concern is users will continue to misuse this template because of the name. Also, 140 characters seems like an extremely high bound for abbreviations; most abbreviations are probably under 50 characters. When the Wikipedia search is used to test in that range (using the regex \{\{[tT]ooltip[^|]*\|[^}]{50}), there are 1,594 results. That is 1.9% of total transclusions, not a large percentage, but significant, and makes me think deleting {{tooltip}} leaves less room for ambiguity in {{abbr}}'s purpose.
E to the Pi times i (
talk |
contribs) 16:05, 31 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment What would a bot do when it finds {{Tooltip...}}? Changing it to {{Abbr...}} doesn't improve the presentation; it just conceals any abuse of Abbr. Stripping it out puts able-bodied readers on a par with those who can't see tooltips but, as it improves legibility for no one, is that actually useful? Can we find a presentation which works for all readers? The headers in the table at
Paavo Nurmi#Seasons may be a good example: Starts is a tooltip; DNF is a genuine abbreviation. What would we want those headers to look like after this change?
Certes (
talk) 16:15, 31 March 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Certes: Since the number of abuse cases is manageable, semi-automated edits will handle misuse cases first. Misuse of tooltips should mostly be moved to prose, or moved to a footnote. I have made
an edit to
Paavo Nurmi#Seasons to demonstrate what I mean.
E to the Pi times i (
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Steel1943 (
talk) 00:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete later, after giving eπi and others time to amend pages which use it. Please do not delete the redirect immediately at closure time, or 83,000 embarrassing redlinks will appear.
Certes (
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Steel1943 (
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Deprecate, as long as the usage of the redirect is cleared manually or semi-automatically, because the differences between legitimate and illegitimate usage of tooltip will need to be resolved in different manners (like the
Paavo Nurmi#Seasons example). Once the links have been cleared, I think it would be best to replace the redirect with an error message, stating the accessibility issues with tooltip and pointing to {{abbr}} if one is trying to use tooltip for an abbreviation. Straight up deleting the redirect may make it seem that tooltip is never legitimate, which is not accurate. --
Tavix(
talk) 14:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)reply
How do we display the error message? Should Tooltip become a
soft redirect to Abbr, once existing uses have been fixed?
Certes (
talk) 14:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Deprecate as Tavix says. Clearing up the uses of {{tooltip}} seems reasonable to reduce confusion and bad uses
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 14:19, 28 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: If we're going to deprecate 80,000 uses, I'd like a bit more consensus, especially given the
BRFA conversation.
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u •
t •
c) 01:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There's a keep and a couple deletes in here, but those were made 1. before the "deprecate" option was floated, and 2. while the idea of a bot/semiautomated action seemed viable; it no longer does. I will not be relisting this again, it's been longer than the Flood already; if the world can be beset and reset with rain, we can solve this.
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u •
t •
c) 01:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Deprecate and replace with error message as mentioned above. There's no good solution here, but that's the least worst solution we have I think. Richard0612 08:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Deprecate. Some uses can be replaced by {{abbr}}, others need to be fixed for accessibility reasons (and might need turning into footnotes, or proper sentences). I would suggest replacing with {{abbr}} where that is correct (can be done with AWB while checking manually), then try to fix other transclusions, then replace by error message. We could allow it to work outside of mainspace though. —Kusma (
t·
c) 09:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Regardless of the final ending of the page
Template:Tooltip, it should not redirect to
Template:Abbr. Abbr's tooltip is a special case in HTML that is required to be the abbreviation's expansion; the name "tooltip" does not indicate that restriction. --
Izno (
talk) 12:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Indeed, hence why we're wanting to deprecate it and make it not redirect to Abbr as it currently does (but instead show an error/be deleted)
Galobtter (
pingó mió) 12:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Depricate following Kusma's outline for what needs to happen.
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Visaal
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The result of the discussion was Article created. ~ Amory(
u •
t •
c) 14:56, 18 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Too generic to be of use as a redirect (see page history); not mentioned at target page anyways.
ansh666 19:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete one Pakistani drama serial of Same name is currently airing therefore to make way for that drama serial, it should be deleted and its also not much important to be kept in my opinion, Here are drama links for verification.
[4],
[5] and
[6]. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
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UFC on Fuel TV 7
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u •
t •
c) 00:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)reply
Retarget as above as the seventh UFC on Fuel TV installment.
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