- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: speedy keep . There is not a chance we will be deleting an active Wikiproject here. (non-admin closure) Legacypac ( talk) 13:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube
A single brand featured as a project on Wikipedia (and in The Signpost) is not conform with WP:NOTADVERTISING/WP:NOTPROMOTION. It is simple advertising/PR for Google and YouTube. This is not allowed on Wikipedia. What about other video platforms?
Usually a violation of WP:NOTADVERTISING is a CSD: WP:G11. But in this case the project is running for while and I appreciate the work of the editors to improve the content about video personalities and stuff around. But in this manner the project is a direct violation of WP’s basic standards. The project page looks like YouTube has bought whole Times Square ads. Completely unacceptable.
The only solution I could imagine at the moment is another project named “Video Platforms” or similar. But I am not into video platforms deeply enough nor I have an idea if this could meet the interests of the project participants. But a project named by and limited to a brand of a monopoly company is unacceptable and to be deleted completely and immediately. with best wishes from VINCENZO1492 10:00, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. I have looked for, but cannot find, any guideline on the naming of a WikiProject. I have left a message on the talk page of the WikiProject Council to notify them of this MfD and seek guidance. In the absence of any guidance to the contrary, my understanding is that any editor can create a WikiProject about any theme. I am a member of the project, and in my experience the members are not interested in promoting Google or YouTube corporately but instead to improve articles, about, for instance, YouTubers and to maintain the infobox template. It is up to the members whether they want to focus their efforts on YouTube-related articles or to broaden the scope to cover other video streaming platforms.
- I see no difference between this and, for instance, WikiProject Apple Inc./iOS task force, WikiProject BBC Radio, WikiProject Beyoncé or WikiProject The Simpsons. Is the issue the fair use of the YouTube logo perhaps? I don't see that as advertising. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 11:34, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- As I noted in the comments on the Signpost article, I would have preferred a " WikiProject Online Video". However, a rebranding is not a deletion, and online video (a monopoly currently held by YouTube) is certainly something that needs a WikiProject right now. Therefore, keep. ~ Mable ( chat) 11:37, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment the Signpost article that Maplestrip mentioned and that led to the nomination is here. Curb Safe Charmer ( talk) 11:57, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I'm a little bias, since there are WikiProjects like WP Google, Apple, etc, why is YouTube any different under WP:NOTADVERTISING/WP:NOTPROMOTION? Also, how you said that the project page looks like "YouTube has bought whole Times Square ads," however, this theme is WP Google's just with another color scheme. But besides the fact, would you delete a WikiProject based on the design of their project? No! Also, nowhere on our project so we advocate or promote YouTube. How is that completely unacceptable? Heck, I don't even like where they are going with YouTube Red (yet my opinions on the matter don't belong on Wikipedia). In the entire project's lifetime we have tried to be un-biased, and if you think that something is not bias, we could totally change it. Also, your idea of "a project named by and limited to a brand of a monopoly company is unacceptable and to be deleted completely and immediately" has some sound. But projects like this has caused so much editing. People only edit about what they're interested in, and with YouTube's importance on the world I agree that it has a monopoly on the market. But is it unacceptable to have a WikiProject about it? I don't think so. Jamesjpk ( talk) 12:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. The Wikiproject's existence is for improving Wikipedia articles on a specific topic. As long as those articles exist, it is reasonable for editors to collaborate on improving them (assuming there's no conflict of interest/paid editing violations). It is no more advertising/promotion than Talk:YouTube, or the YouTube article itself for that matter, or any of the other projects/task forces mentioned in !votes above. Note also that WikiProjects are allowed to define their own scope per WP:PROJSCOPE. - Evad37 [ talk 12:35, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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