- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: involved snowball keep. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE 19:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- For whatever it's worth, since the close was a nac by an involved participant, I'll take over the close and affirm that it's a snow Keep. - jc37 20:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Template:User singular they:No
Procedural nomination;
Chessrat (
talk ·
contribs) incorrectly brought this
to TfD because it only functions to permit users to display beliefs hostile to trans people on full view in their profile, and indicate a lack of respect for nonbinary Wikipedia editors
. I will not comment on this, but it sounds plausible enough to consider per
WP:UBCR. –
LaundryPizza03 (
d
c̄) 15:57, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. This template appears to balance out ( WP:NPOV) Template:User singular they:Yes, Template:User singular they:Yes2, and Template:User singular they:Yes Native. The main problem is who gets to define "standard English usage"? This is a common issue with all 4 templates involved. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Easily used without reference to trans people. The nominator’s “only” is not true. If there is a serious case for deletion, it should be by RfC with all transcluders notified. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 22:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per User:SmokeyJoe. There are plenty of folks who dislike this newfangled usage that are not transphobic. I use the singular “they” but I grit my teeth when I do; I’ll try to find a workaround to avoid it if I can - even the old “he/she”. On the other hand, I have no problems with trans folks. People are just funny about their language.
- We have slightly more than 250 people using this template (I don’t). I daresay the majority of users are language-conservative, not gender-conservative. This large number of users reinforces SmokeyJoe’s point that an RfC would be better in this case than a handful of MfD participants making a controversial decision. We don’t want to turn singular they into a shibboleth for sorting our editor community.
- — A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 01:16, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Sorry but activism needs to have boundaries and there are people who consider singular they to be substandard English usage. That view is defensible even if archaic and society should not attempt to ban its proponents. It's got nothing to do with trans people.
Johnuniq (
talk) 02:09, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- My argument is not that having that opinion should be banned– it is that having a userbox to share the opinion is a way of displaying one's hostility towards other Wikipedia users. In general most userboxes are about fun and light-hearted things, not about political views and particularly not about political views which would directly lead to others feeling marginalized– just as one would not expect a "this user believes in scientific racism" userbox to exist, even though I'm sure plenty of active Wikipedians have that opinion. I suspect that most people who want this userbox kept likely aren't nonbinary themselves. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 17:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: makes no reference to non-binary editors. Per A.B. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk 19:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: As an enby, people using he/she make my blood boil, but valid belief and not inherently discriminatory. CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE 19:44, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. This userbox exists for editors to state an opinion about grammar. People are free to identify with this type of opinion, even if it is an opinion that others think is wrong. The userbox says nothing about gender. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 04:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep This is simply an opinion on grammar. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.