Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Drafts_by_Invbff References

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:59, 28 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Drafts by Invbff

WP:NOTWEBHOST. All these drafts seem to be about a fictious reality based on Invbff's personal opinion. They also confirmed on this talk page that this is their "private page"; this person is clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. ― Jochem van Hees ( talk) 23:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Delete. These drafts have zero merit for inclusion on Wikipedia, are predominantly pure fiction, and would never pass the AFC process should they ever reach that point. Sims2aholic8 ( talk) 11:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Delete. Per nom. Appears to just be using Wikipedia as a place to build their own fictional contest pages. Grk1011 ( talk) 13:12, 23 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Speedy Delete under criterion G3 as a blatant hoax. 192.76.8.78 ( talk) 02:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC) reply
Woah, this is a heck of a nom.

Speedy Delete Draft:Countries in Junior Eurovision between 1996 and 2002, Draft:Montenegro in Junior Eurovision Song Contest, Draft:Switzerland in Junior Eurovision Song Contest, Draft:Turkey in Junior Eurovision Song Contest, Draft:Junior Eurovision songs archive, Draft:Cyprus and Greece results in Junior Eurovision, and Draft:Un candidat pour l’Eurovision junior under G3 per IP
Delete Draft:My Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021, Draft:My Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022, Draft:List of Junior Eurovision contestants, Draft:List of Junior Eurovision contestants (2), Draft:List of Junior Eurovision contestants. Songs, amd Draft:Junior Eurovision as unnecessary duplicates of mainspace Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021, Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2022, List of Junior Eurovision Song Contest entries, and of course Junior Eurovision Song Contest.
Delete Draft:List of Junior Eurovision contestants. Worst performances, Draft:Average ranks for countries in Junior Eurovision, Draft:Detailed voting results in Junior Eurovision, and Draft:Junior Eurovision backing vocalists per WP:INDISCRIMINATE
- Delete Draft:List of Junior Eurovision contestants. Foreign artists, Draft:Baltic countries, who qualified for the grand finals, Draft:Nordic countries, who qualified for the grand finals, and Draft:Yugoslavian countries, who qualified for the grand finals as some of the longest A1's I've ever seen, and even with additional context they're WP:INDISCRIMINATE.
- Delete Draft:List of Junior Eurovision contestants. The Voice. Eliminated artists in live shows, Draft:List of Junior Eurovision contestants. The Voice. Winners, and Draft:List of Junior Eurovision contestants. The Voice. Finalists because I genuinely can't tell what it's supposed to be a list of, and I suspect it would be WP:INDISCRIMINATE anyway.
Merge any relevant, nonfictional information from Draft:Junior Eurovision chronology, if any exists, into Junior Eurovision Song Contest. Leave no redirect.

Unbelievably, there ~~are two drafts~~ is one draft here that I think might be salvageable.

Keep Draft:My Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2023 but move it to Draft:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2023 without leaving a redirect. Remove any fictional information.

* Split Draft:Cyprus and Greece results in Junior Eurovision into separate drafts - I didn't find any false information in my cursory check. I know for normal Eurovision countries have separate articles, but I'm not sure these are actually notable. Not an issue for MfD.

If anybody believes any of these are salvageable, the primary thing would be to remove all unverifiable or fictional information, which I could find in all of the ones I said to G3, and likely exist in more. WP:V is a policy, not a suggestion. casualdejekyll 20:59, 26 May 2022 (UTC) reply

By the way, 70% of the creator's edits are to these drafts. If these pages are all deleted, I recommend the closer consider blocking per WP:NOTHERE (although I do not think an indef is appropriate). ~~I would also recommend the closer consider revoking the creator's extendedconfirmed rights, as they only have 180 edits outside of draft space.~~ After a discussion on WP:DISCORD, I have concluded that this user's XC rights should be kept. casualdejekyll 21:02, 26 May 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Casualdejekyll These drafts are absolutely packed full of hoax and fake information - there's nothing here worth keeping. As an example look at Draft:Cyprus and Greece results in Junior Eurovision which you advocate splitting above. The 2012 section claims that:

Cyprus' tenth entry was "Kaneís kai poté" performed by Italian singer Ralph Lautrec.
Cyprus wasn't announced among top 10 qualifiers and failed to qualify for the first time since introduction of semi-finals. Cyprus finished 19th with only 18 points: 6 from Italy, 4 from Iceland, 3 from San Marino and Turkey and 2 from Hungary.

However:

The cyprus broadcasting corporation didn't even apply for a place in the 2012 contest
The 2012 contest had only 12 competing nations, so they couldn't have finished 19th
The 2012 contest didn't have any semi finals
The 2012 contest didn't have qualifiers
How can a country fail to qualify but also finish 19th?
Italy, Iceland, San Marino, Turkey and Hungary didn't compete and as such didn't get votes
Ralph Lautrec didn't start their career and release their first song until 2017, the only major contest they seem to have appeared in is "the voice Italy" in 2019
The junior Eurovision rules require that a contestant must be a native of a country or have lived there for at least 2 years, so an Italian singer couldn't compete for Cyprus
There are no records of the supposed song existing anywhere on the internet
The 2012 competition was the 10th event, so for this to be cyprus' 10th entry they would have had to have competed at all the previous events, which they didn't, they missed 2002, 2010 and 2011.

etc etc etc. It's not worth the effort of keeping or merging drafts filled with blatantly fake information and someone's screwing around making up a fake contest, it can only do more harm than good. 192.76.8.78 ( talk) 23:27, 26 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Apologies, I had only fact checked like two claims and found them both true. Moving to G3 section. casualdejekyll 01:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Casualdejekyll My comment applies to all the drafts here, not just that specific one! Draft:My Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2023 which you advocate keeping contains all the same issues:

it states 46 countries will compete, this is more than the total number of countries that have ever competed at junior Eurovision (40) and more than the maximum number that can participate in one contest and have the voting system work (44) and is more than double the maximum amount that have previously competed at any one event (20).
Junior eurovision does not use semi-finals, so that entire section of the article is fake.
The whole "will consist of two shows" section is fake and cannot be verified anywhere on the internet
There is no "big five" in junior eurovision, that entire sentence is fake
There is no "grand final" the entire sentence about it is fake
The whole "increasing the number of finalists from 26 to 27" section is fake, there have never been more than 20 contestants, there is no big five, there are no finalists and there is no qualification round.
The September 2022 announcement that contains all this information is fake for obvious reasons

etc etc etc. There isn't a single sentence in it that isn't some form of hoax! The entire lot of these drafts need deleting. 192.76.8.78 ( talk) 01:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC) reply

The thing is, when you strip all the nonsense, you end up with a topic which is actually notable and actually will need an article. It's just that there's nothing there but nonsense, so when you strip all the nonsense you end up with literal nothing. casualdejekyll 01:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Casualdejekyll The 2023 event isn't notable (yet), it's an obvious fail of the WP:FUTUREEVENT clause of WP:NEVENT since nothing can be said about the event that is verifiable and not original research. Even if you could write a reasonable draft about Eurovision 2023 (and you can't at the moment because we know nothing about it, WP:CRYSTAL applies) it would be better to start from scratch than try to fix up a hoax article that is 100% fake information. 192.76.8.78 ( talk) 01:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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