The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I reviewed this article
back in February 2021 and I now believe that the article is too unstable to remain a GA. There were edit wars in May and March 2023. There was a period of heavy editing back in October 2022 which included countless reverts and changes (
[1]). The article recently underwent
some significant changes in the space of a couple of weeks and continues to be edited heavily. Since I reviewed the article it has increased in size by over 2 thousand words and in Wikitext size by nearly 50k.
Ahsoo1122 11:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
So, something being unstable (inheritly or not) is not a reason to delist. We need to asertain that the articles new text is suitably far from the criteria for delisting. Lee Vilenski(
talk •
contribs) 10:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)reply
In that case, I will take a more thorough look at the article this afternoon. A first glance and it seems that the article has changed significantly from the reviewed version, so I find it likely that the article will have moved further from meeting the criteria.
Willbb234 11:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)reply
I generally agree with Lee's comment above. Instability isn't a reason to delist in and of itself, but it may indicate other issues are present. I just skimmed the article and it appears to be very well cited. I do see an awful lot of one-sentence paragraphs and
PROSELINE, but I'm not sure that alone would merit delisting.
Trainsandotherthings (
talk) 22:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Also agree with Lee V.'s assessment. We could introduce some sentence connectives here and there to help with the flow, but the information and the sourcing are relevant and appropriate.
QRep2020 (
talk) 03:44, 26 July 2023 (UTC)reply
Sources
During my source review in the initial review, I think I failed to properly question the reliability of all the references or some potentially unreliable sources have been added in the time since. Here is a list of sources which might not meet reliability requirements:
Ref 8
[2]. Unsure if Teslarati has an editorial process in place
[3].
Ref 21
[4]. Self-published source. Content in question does not meet
WP:SELFPUB.
Lots of reliance on the source Elecrek, which is at the least a questionable source
[21]. A single author, Fred Lambert, has written 29 of the sources in use in this article. This needs to be discussed at the very least. Nom defended this in the review
[22], but I'm not so convinced. It appears it's come up in other talk page discussions as well.
Lots of references missing authorship and there is inconsistent wikilinking and formatting throughout the references.
Stopped at ref 450 because this was taking too long. I think the problem here is that a significant proportion of the article is based on sources which we don't know are reliable and need to be discussed on a case-by-case basis which could potentially take some time. Of course there's some blatant issues here like
this source which looks a lot like TikTok. Of course, this can be removed in a few seconds but if there's more issues like this that have fallen through the cracks, then the article surely can't be up to GA standards.
Prose
The vehicle models section has been trimmed quite significantly from
the reviewed version. I question whether this takes away from
WP:GACR point 3 as it reduces the breadth of coverage, especially when the vehicle models should be covered in reasonable depth and breadth.
WP:PROSELINE is an issue and the lead seems fragmented. Other formatting issues need addressing to improve readability.
Stability
I understand the point about stability not being a reason to delist simply because the article is unstable. However, it is safe to assume that the article will continue to be unstable given previous editing pattern and thus it is difficult to predict whether the article will continue to meet the GA criteria in the future. If social media sites continue to be used as sources and not removed, then I highly doubt that the article can remain of GA status.
I'm happy to discuss this further and look for more evidence. The issue with an article of this length is there is so much content to try and work through, as I found in my initial review.
Willbb234 12:12, 26 July 2023 (UTC)reply
At 11663 words, 74902 characters, the article is past the point at which trimming and/or splitting off content would be clearly reasonable, per
WP:SIZE.
Trainsandotherthings (
talk) 00:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)reply
We could trim here and there, of course, but nothing that warrants a reassessment. The company receives near constant attention in the media and invites controversy at every turn, naturally its article will be long.
QRep2020 (
talk) 13:57, 2 August 2023 (UTC)reply
I have complained about the article's overreliance on Electrek in the past, but the website has grown less partial to Tesla and Musk in recent years. The primary, tesla.com-based sources are minimal and the cited industry news sites seem reliable enough to me.
QRep2020 (
talk) 21:00, 2 August 2023 (UTC)reply
I'm having trouble closing this on consensus, so I thought I'd add my thoughts. The issues raised in this discussion were stability, writing and layout, sourcing, and overall size. While each may or may not (as has been mentioned) be enough of an issue on their own, they are not alone which suggests a higher level of work would bee needed. In addition to the sourcing, at least some of which seems to have been improved, the aforementioned
WP:PROSELINE issues remain significant throughout the article (relatedly, the table of contents is over two screens long!). I would assess this as quite far from the GACR, and agree with a delist.
CMD (
talk) 13:27, 12 August 2023 (UTC)reply
I'd also point out that while Electrek has not been directly reviewed, it's parent company 9to5 has been given a
100% score by
NewsGuard for adhering to all of that organization's to standards of credibility and transparency. I'd say its up to the level of many trade publications at this point. Because of it's focus on one industry, it can come across as somewhat partial to that industry, but I have seen skepticism in recent years, especially of Musk's statements. But we use trade publications because they have a level of intimacy with an industry to be able to offer in depth and frequent coverage. As to the PROSELINE issues, it's valid, but I think it's unavoidable with a company with Tesla's stature. Inexperienced editors will always come in and add the latest factoid to the history section. It's incumbent on more experienced editors to come in every so often and convert the proseline into actual prose. I don't see these issues as disqualifying for GA status. --
RickyCourtney (
talk) 22:17, 19 August 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.