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File:Thrflogo.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Thrf ( notify | contribs).

• Orphaned, unencyclopedic B ( talk) 02:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Thumbnail-sized photo of Barack Obama.JPG ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Iamwisesun ( notify | contribs).

• Thumbnail-sized version of the President. The full-sized version is at File:Poster-sized portrait of Barack Obama.jpg. The Mediawiki software can scale an image so we shouldn't need this version. B ( talk) 02:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: Kept. Problems resolved. – Drilnoth ( T •  C •  L) 00:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC) reply

File:Baltimoresunlogo.png ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Chad01 ( notify | contribs).

• no source. Why is PD? Shizhao ( talk) 03:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep - It isn't rocket science to figure out who made the logo (the image itself blatantly shouting where it came from). I'll go change the tag to the correct one now. Besides, your nomination of every single image that has a tiny flaw in its licensing (or even no flaw, as evidenced by your past contributions) is more destructive than it is constructive, so please stop that. GraYoshi2x► ^talk 19:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Jagdtigers factory 1944.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Tzar ( notify | contribs).

• no source. free images at commons:Category:Jagdtiger Shizhao ( talk) 05:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep - This isn't Commons, shizhao, and there clearly is a fair use rationale for the image and it is evident that it came from the referenced company itself. Before you list more images here for deletion please keep in mind the different image use policy here on en.wiki. GraYoshi2x► ^talk 19:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • That isn't a reason for keeping. We only use non-free images when their exclusion would be detrimental to the user's understanding. That is clearly not the case here. -- B ( talk) 20:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Jagdtiger frontside.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Tzar ( notify | contribs).

• out fair use. free images at commons:Category:Jagdtiger Shizhao ( talk) 05:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep - See reason in image deletion request above. GraYoshi2x► ^talk 19:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • That isn't a reason for keeping. We only use non-free images when their exclusion would be detrimental to the user's understanding. That is clearly not the case here. -- B ( talk) 20:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Bitch lookin fine.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Decibelsound ( notify | contribs).

• Orphaned. No possible encyclopedic use. RabidDeity ( talk) 07:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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• Orphaned and... I have no clue why this is even on WP. RabidDeity ( talk) 07:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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• Orphaned, unencyclopedic. RabidDeity ( talk) 07:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Rubiks love.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Decibelsound ( notify | contribs).

• Orphaned, unencyclopedic, no context. RabidDeity ( talk) 07:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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• Orphaned, unencyclopedic. RabidDeity ( talk) 07:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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• Orphaned, unencyclopedic. Possibly used on a user page, but no longer. RabidDeity ( talk) 08:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Adam Lasus Recording with Seneca Hawk in 2008.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cmbn8 ( notify | contribs).

• Request by A Lasus Cmbn8 ( talk) 08:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: No action needed - I tagged the images with a relative speedy tag, needing verified permission to use the image as licensed. Killiondude ( talk) 19:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC) reply

File:RATTPOSTER09 copy.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by BobGarage ( notify | contribs).

• Poster for a concert. I doubt the uploader owns the rights to this image, if they do, OTRS permission will be required. J Milburn ( talk) 15:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• I work for the Wolverhampton Civic and Wulfrun Halls and have the permission to distribute the image freely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BobGarage ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

Note - Message on WP:OTRS left on uploader talk page. Skier Dude ( talk) 04:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Tdance-1.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Maddyfan ( notify | contribs).

• I fail to see why six screenshots are required to illustrate the choreography of someone mentioned in passing. J Milburn ( talk) 16:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• I made it smaller. It shows the flinging of Tracey's body and the technical work that went into Abdul's choreography. Paula won Emmys for the show. I hope to expand the article. I hope I'm making sense. I meant no harm. Please check it again. Maddyfan ( talk) 16:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • I have no doubt that the choreography is significant, but I fail to see why it is required to fully understand the article on the show. J Milburn ( talk) 19:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Every show contained a dance or music sketch, and sometimes both. It was THE show. 76.117.121.148 ( talk) 18:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by B ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply

File:External link.PNG ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Scarce ( notify | contribs).

• Silly image for the sole purpose of illustrating the "external link pointer" on WP:EL, which I reverted shortly after. Besides that, we already have File:External.svg, and this recreation of the pointer looks completely different than the actual one. GraYoshi2x► ^talk 20:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

I didn't know one already existed, go ahead and delete it • S • C • A • R • C • E • 21:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Russia Japan Locator.png ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Fox Mccloud ( notify | contribs).

• Orphaned, arbitrary locator map B ( talk) 22:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Move to commons 76.66.192.144 ( talk) 03:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Maxtor-retail-3642.JPG ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Myke2020 ( notify | contribs).

• Orphaned, poor quality, a disproportionately large amount of this image is the copyrighted box design. If this was a wide shot designed to show product on a shelf, ok, fine, but a photo of two copyrighted box designs is hardly sufficiently transformative to be uninfringing. B ( talk) 22:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Scotch badge.JPG ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hamedog ( notify | contribs).

• Image is obviously a derivative of the school's non-free logo - File:Scotchperthcrest.jpg - and it is so incredibly blurry that removing it from the article is addition by subtraction B ( talk) 22:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Super 12 Trophy.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hamedog ( notify | contribs).

Also nominating:

• File:Tri Nations Trophy.jpg

• Replaceable fair use image. Unless these trophies have been melted down, they still exist somewhere and things that still exist are considered replaceable. Even if it isn't replaceable, there's no "fair use" defense for grabbing a random photo of an object you want and using it without paying royalties. The description page says that Wikipedia has permission to use the image, but even if that's the case, it is not sufficient permission because we have downstream commercial uses, all of which would have no choice but to take down the photo should the copyright holder press the issue. B ( talk) 22:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:CrusadersMistHurricanes.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hamedog ( notify | contribs).

• Non-iconic Getty Images photo from 2006. Obviously infringing. B ( talk) 22:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Lomu Mike Catt steamroll.PNG ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hamedog ( notify | contribs).

• "Screenshot from youtube."??? That doesn't tell us who the copyright holder is. Using some random person's photo in a non-transformative way like this is almost certainly copyright infringement. (If you don't know what that means, please see Transformation (law).) B ( talk) 22:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Gallo Time cover.JPG ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Agne27 ( notify | contribs).

• This Time Magazine cover is being used not for any commentary about Time magazine, but simply as a stock photo of this family and their wine bottle. B ( talk) 23:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep The picture caption reds "In 1972 Time magazine did a cover story on Ernest (left) and Julio Gallo" -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 03:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • So? How does that help you understand the topic? -- B ( talk) 17:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Katyfrench2.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Paddy More ( notify | contribs).

• News media photo of a person who died in 2007 being used only to show what she looks like. The use is flagrant copyright infringement - our use of the photo without paying royalties is stealing. If it were a legitimate "fair use" to use a photo like this without paying royalties, every news photographer would be out of a job because nobody would pay for their work any more - they would just claim fair use. B ( talk) 23:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep, not replaceable and of such low resolution that it does not interfere with commercial opportunities for the image. Stifle ( talk) 09:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • It doesn't matter. Their "commercial opportunities" include selling royalties to websites like Wikipedia and our downstream mirrors and forks. Item #6 under the images section of Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Unacceptable_use gives, as an example of an "unacceptable use", "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article." This is directly on point. -- B ( talk) 20:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply
    • WP:F, a guideline, is designed to interpret and elucidate WP:NFCC, a policy. I think this interpretation is slightly off-piste. My feeling is that we are not interfering with commercial opportunities for the image because anyone who would use this would probably not pay to use this or any other image. Stifle ( talk) 08:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply
      • Wikipedia:FAIR#Unacceptable_use has in the unacceptable category: 6. "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article." Therefore we need a photo that is not from a press agency. WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC) reply
        • Yes, B told me that already. My point is that I feel the guideline there doesn't reflect policy correctly. Stifle ( talk) 14:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC) reply
          • If you feel the guideline "doesn't reflect policy correctly," you should take the discussion to Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content - Until/unless the said guideline is reversed, we are going to be following it for files for deletion discussions, and we are to consider it as in compliance with our policies. WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:Queen of Swords.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by REVUpminster ( notify | contribs).

• Originally orphaned by me, but that was contested, so I am bringing it here for wider input. Image was used on Zorro to illustrate the similarities between Zorro and the Queen of Swords. Though these similarities are striking, I do not feel they are important enough to warrant the use of this image, especially as the section on the similarities is a single item in a list and unsourced, and as the section is already well illustrated. In short, I do not feel that the image "significantly increases reader understanding of the topic", the topic being Zorro. See the non-free content criteria. J Milburn ( talk) 23:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply

• I believe this image is relevent to the text because The Queen of Swords television series was made between the two recent Zorro films (probably to ride on popularity of said films) and illustrates the text which points out the similarities. The text was originally included in the Zorro on Television section until I made a comment on the talk page and another editor moved it to popular culture which is it's correct place. There is only one other image in the popular culture section 'Texas Tech'. It is the largest section within Popular culture and the fact that the official Zorro website [1] has used an edited version of the wikipedia still leaving The Queen of Swords section the largest despite rumours at the time Zorro Inc sued the producers, they seemed to accept QoS is part of Zorro folklore. REVUpminster ( talk) 00:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• comment As placed currently in the article it significantly aided me immediately in seeing the similarities between the costuming in Zorro and the QoSwords. Skier Dude ( talk) 04:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• As it stands, the paragraph is original research. As long as that's true, the image is patently unjustifiable. If there were to be sources found to verify the claims, it is more arguable that the image is necessary. However, I don't think the image adds anything critical to understanding similarities that text cannot. ÷ seresin 03:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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File:29cnd cbgb.600.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( notify | contribs).

• News media photo of a person who died in 2005 being used only to show what he looks like. The use is flagrant copyright infringement - our use of the photo without paying royalties is stealing. If it were a legitimate "fair use" to use a photo like this without paying royalties, every news photographer would be out of a job because nobody would pay for their work any more - they would just claim fair use. B ( talk) 23:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Delete, but only because of failing WP:NFCC#10c. Stifle ( talk) 09:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep does not fail WP:NFCC#10c, a rationale is provided despite Stifles bad eyesight, and it meets non free fair use .... -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 03:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply

  "dead, low res, no revenue loss in article Hilly Kristal" is by no means a sufficient rationale. See WP:FUG. Stifle ( talk) 08:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply

  • Wikipedia:FAIR#Unacceptable_use has in the unacceptable category: 6. "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article." Richard, we need to replace this with a non-press agency photo. Also for recently-dead people we need to make a reasonable effort to get a free image off of Flickr. WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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• News media photo of a person who died in 2008 being used only to show what he looks like. The use is flagrant copyright infringement - our use of the photo without paying royalties is stealing. If it were a legitimate "fair use" to use a photo like this without paying royalties, every news photographer would be out of a job because nobody would pay for their work any more - they would just claim fair use. B ( talk) 23:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Delete, fails WP:NFCC#10c. Stifle ( talk) 09:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep does not fail WP:NFCC#10c, a rationale is provided despite Stifles bad eyesight, and it meets non free fair use .... -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 02:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Per above, the rationale is insufficient. Stifle ( talk) 08:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC) reply

File:AdrienneShelly.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by David Thompson ( notify | contribs).

• News media photo of a person who died in 2006 being used only to show what she looks like. The use is flagrant copyright infringement - our use of the photo without paying royalties is stealing. If it were a legitimate "fair use" to use a photo like this without paying royalties, every news photographer would be out of a job because nobody would pay for their work any more - they would just claim fair use. B ( talk) 23:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep Unless we are going to photograph the decaying corpse, it meets the non free fair use criteria. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 03:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Actually, Wikipedia:FAIR#Unacceptable_use has in the unacceptable category: 6. "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article." Richard, we need to replace this with a non-press agency photo. Also for recently-dead people we need to make a reasonable effort to get a free image off of Flickr. WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC) reply

File:TommyBurns.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Million Moments ( notify | contribs).

• News media photo of a person who died in 2008 being used only to show what he looks like. The use is flagrant copyright infringement - our use of the photo without paying royalties is stealing. If it were a legitimate "fair use" to use a photo like this without paying royalties, every news photographer would be out of a job because nobody would pay for their work any more - they would just claim fair use. B ( talk) 23:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep Unless we are going to photograph the decaying corpse, it meets the non free fair use criteria. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 03:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Actually, Wikipedia:FAIR#Unacceptable_use has in the unacceptable category: 6. "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article." Richard, we need to replace this with a non-press agency photo. Also for recently-dead people we need to make a reasonable effort to get a free image off of Flickr. WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep. The presumption with images of dead people is that a replacement image doesn't exist, and I really can't see this interfering with commercial opportunities for the image. If someone wants to use a non-free image of Mr. Burns illegally, there are plenty of other outlets from which they could acquire one. Stifle ( talk) 08:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • But Wikipedia:FAIR#Unacceptable_use prohibits usage of press agency photos under normal circumstances. Also, before we replace it with a different non-free photo, we should take a reasonable measure to find a free image on Flickr (or to get someone to relicense an image to make it free on Flickr) WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC) reply
    • What are normal circumstances? Stifle ( talk) 14:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC) reply
      • Normal circumstances are where a press photo is used to represent an object or person, and there is no sourced commentary about the photograph itself. Unless there is sourced commentary about the particular photograph, press photos are generally to be avoided. WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC) reply

File:Nba g garretson 400.jpg ( delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by RyguyMN ( notify | contribs).

• News media photo of a person who died in 2008 being used only to show what he looks like. The use is flagrant copyright infringement - our use of the photo without paying royalties is stealing. If it were a legitimate "fair use" to use a photo like this without paying royalties, every news photographer would be out of a job because nobody would pay for their work any more - they would just claim fair use. B ( talk) 23:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Weak delete per WP:NFCC#2. I am loathe to say that images like this are replaceable; the presumption is that a photo of a dead person is not. On the other hand, I am sure Getty would love to sell us this image, and I think that outweighs any possible fair use. Stifle ( talk) 09:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Getty sent a cease and desist to NORML for using the 30-year-old image of pot smoking Obama in a poster [2]. This piece about Getty suing a gossip website that was using pictures of Brad Pitt's + Angelina Jolie's baby without permission is almost directly on point [3]. IANAL, but I cannot fathom how our use is anything but copyright infringement. It may be that Getty will never send a c&d to us just because they don't want the bad publicity or because you can't get blood from a turnip, but any time we use a news media photo where the photo itself is not the subject of discussion (as opposed to being used to illustrate a discussion about the thing depicted in the photo), that's blatant infringement. If our NFCC don't make that clear, the problem is with our NFCC. Just because they were there and we weren't doesn't give us the right to steal their photo - if we want it, we have to pay royalties. -- B ( talk) 12:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Keep Unless we are going to photograph the decaying corpse, it meets the non free fair use criteria. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 03:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Actually, Wikipedia:FAIR#Unacceptable_use has in the unacceptable category: 6. "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article." Richard, we need to replace this with a non-press agency photo. Also for recently-dead people we need to make a reasonable effort to get a free image off of Flickr. WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by King of Hearts ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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• News media photo of a living person being used as a stock photo of her appearance at a particular event. The use is flagrant copyright infringement - our use of the photo without paying royalties is stealing. If it were a legitimate "fair use" to use a photo like this without paying royalties, every news photographer would be out of a job because nobody would pay for their work any more - they would just claim fair use. B ( talk) 23:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Delete. The all too common claim of "depicting a specific event in history" (other variations include "depicting a specific point in his/her career" and "depicting a point of view that is not recreatable") is simply nonsense. We have absolutely no business using Getty photos like this. I appreciate that her wearing the dress is discussed in the article, but WP:NFCC#1 suggests that image is not required as the textual description is sufficient. Stifle ( talk) 09:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Non-free image of a living person that can easily be replaced by a free image. — Σ xplicit 05:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC) reply

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