Oppose (based purely on my
WP:ACCESS queries, other things are neither here nor there)
- It's permissible (and encouraged here) to make the lead image bigger.
- Done. Big enough or too big?
bamse (
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- In Safari, the tables in the Statistics section, left one has "National Treasures" left justified, while right-hand one has "National Treasures" right justified. Looks odd.
- Fixed (both left-aligned now).
bamse (
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- "(except for Remarks and Design and material) " ok, I see Remarks, but not "Design and material"
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- Some Usage notes end in a
full stop. Others don't. Any reason?
- No reason and therefore fixed.
bamse (
talk) 22:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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- Be aware of
WP:ACCESS when you say that some swords are noted in yellow or green.
- Not sure what your objection is. Is it (i) the use of color at all, or (ii) the use of words to refer to colors (better to use a legend)? I ran the page through
vischeck and the table colors were not a problem, i.e. they could be distinguished in any of the three color vision simulations.
bamse (
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- This is a problem, because anyone who cannot see those colours (screen reader/text-only browser/colour-blind) does not receive the information intended. The simplest solution that occurs to me is to add: "(meibutsu)" to the yellow cells; "(juttetsu)" to the green cells; "(goban kaji)" to the blue cells. A legend won't help the visually-impaired if the colour is the only way that the relevant cell is identified. You could try a group note (<ref group="...) in each cell and link it to an explanation, but I still think a little extra text in each cell is a cleaner solution. --
RexxS (
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- I added a non-color key (†, *, ‡) to the tables which makes it understandable for anybody who cannot see colors. I went with the short key solution instead of the full-text solution suggested by RexxS, because I think that this list already is quite massive and I don't want to add much more text to it. This seems to be a common practice in other featured and not-featured lists as well.
bamse (
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- OK. We should just check the characters (†, ‡) are red correctly by a modern screen reader. I suggest to show those signs to
user:Graham87 and ask him if his fairly recent version of
JAWS (screen reader) get it right or read it as a question mark. We never know with those unicode characters. Regards,
Dodoïste (
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- Can you just check that saying "marked in red" in a map also meets
WP:ACCESS?
- Added alt-text to the image to make it more accessible. Also the information encoded in the red color (i.e. which provinces are associated with the five traditions) is present in the prose just next to the image. Is this sufficient? I don't mind changing the color or otherwise modifying the map, but don't know how to find out if it is difficult to read for some people.
bamse (
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- The alt-text taken together with the caption is what will be reported by a screen reader (alternative text). In this case, "Centers of sword production were located in central and western Japan. The provinces associated with the five traditions: Yamato, Bizen, Yamashiro, Mino and Sagami are located in central Japan. Centers of sword production during the old sword (kotō) period. Provinces related to the Five Traditions are marked in red." would at least be understandable. It is unlikely that all of the information available in a map can be communicated textually, but the rest of the article goes into detail, so even without images, a reader will have lost relatively little information. --
RexxS (
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- "Curvature: 2.7 cm (1.1 in)" vs "Curvature: 2.9 cm (1.1 in)" one of these must be incorrect. Check all.
- Actually, rounding to one significant digit, this is right. 2.7 cm is 1.0629 in, 2.9 cm is 1.1417 in. Both round to 1.1; so it would be worth adding another significant digit to the conversion if the template will do so.
Courcelles 20:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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- Maybe that's why when you get to such small measurements it should be to more than 1 d.p...
The Rambling Man (
talk) 20:38, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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- I know. (The nominator needs to use to sigfig parameter of the convert template to solve this, because it which does look odd.)
Courcelles 20:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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- Honestly I don't know how to deal with this. To me it is natural to have one significant digit for both cm and in and I don't have a problem with this issue. I am happy to add "sigfig", but to which of the many lengths should I add it?
bamse (
talk) 21:20, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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- My issue comes from the idea that you have at least three different metric measures than translate to one imperial measure. How that's resolved is up to you.
The Rambling Man (
talk) 21:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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- This is due to the fact that an inch is larger than a cm (and that there is some weird/non-power-of-ten conversion factor between the two). My problem with providing additional digits is the following. The sources provide lengths in "cm" with one digit which means that these lengths have a precision of ±0.05cm. If I provided an inch-length with two digits, such as "1.14 in.", a precision of ±0.005 in (±0.01cm) would be implied, i.e., the precision would have increased miraculously just by using mathematics (and not a better ruler). Let me know if this answer satisfies you. If not I'll add "sigfig".
bamse (
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- Some notes start with capital letters, some don't. Any reason?
- No reason and therefore fixed.
bamse (
talk) 21:59, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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- "Its overall length is 109 (cm?)." not sure you need that ? link, and there appear to be several others.
- Fixed two occurences (hopefully all).
bamse (
talk) 21:20, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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- Jargon 10 vs 11, why the difference in italics/bold for same words?
- Several Japanese sources which don't have
language=Japanese such as 49 and 50. Check all.
- Checked and fixed all (quite a lot).
bamse (
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The Rambling Man (
talk) 20:11, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback. I fixed the obvious stuff but am still unsure on what to do about "ACCESS" and cm->in. I'd be happy if you could steer me in the right direction.
bamse (
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- Added a key (see above) to address the color/access problem.
bamse (
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