Niobe had something of a colorful career, serving under the Imperial German, Yugoslav, Italian, and Nazi German flags (and depending on who you ask, maybe under the banner of the Independent State of Croatia as well). She also book-ended her relatively long life under the name Niobe, having been renamed Dalmacija and Cattaro (and, again, maybe Znaim) in between. This article is the result of a collaboration between Peacemaker and myself, and it passed a Milhist A-class review last year. Thanks to all who take the time to review it.
Parsecboy (
talk) 13:22, 29 February 2020 (UTC)reply
Image review
Suggest adding alt text
File:SMS_Niobe_launching.png: as per the template, please provide evidence of lack of author attribution. Same with File:SMS_Niobe_(1899)_2.jpg.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 16:32, 1 March 2020 (UTC)reply
I've either removed the EU-no-disclosure template or moved it locally to avoid the issue, since we don't have access to the original German sources. Thanks Nikki.
Parsecboy (
talk) 11:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)reply
CommentSupport by CPA-5
Hmm I'll do this later or so. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 16:39, 2 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Oh right in which kind of English style should it be written? Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 16:39, 2 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Niobe was 105 meters (344 ft 6 in) long overall and had a beam of 12.2 m (40 ft) --> "Niobe was 105 m (344 ft 6 in) long overall and had a beam of 12.2 m (40 ft)"
triple-expansion steam engines manufactured by AG Germania, Tegel --> "triple-expansion steam engines manufactured by AG Germania in Tegel" Because this isn't a location.
The ship was protected by an armored deck that was 20 to 25 mm (0.79 to 0.98 in) --> "She was protected by an armored deck that was 20 to 25 mm (0.79 to 0.98 in)"
thick sides, and the gun shields were 50 mm (2 in) thick Gun shields?
I'm not sure what you're asking on this one.
Parsecboy (
talk) 10:51, 7 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Hmm it's the first time I've heard about a gun shield and because it hasn't an article maybe a clarification is needed here? Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 10:07, 8 March 2020 (UTC)reply
It's linked earlier at " ten 10.5 cm (4.1 in) SK L/40 guns in single mounts protected by gun shields."
Parsecboy (
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Will continue later on. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
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On 19 June 1906, Niobe was recommissioned for service in the East Asia Squadron To do what?
Nothing recorded. I had a look at
Dark Navy, which discusses some of the fighting between Italian and German forces, but it doesn't have anything useful to add.
Parsecboy (
talk) 12:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
On the night of 21–22 September, while she was still refitting --> "On the night of 21/22 September, while she was still refitting"
when salvage operations began. She was raised and broken up for scrap by 1952 Maybe add "Yougoslav government"?
As far as I know, we don't know who raised and scrapped her. Given it was in socialist Yugoslavia, it may well have been a state-run enterprise, but can't be sure.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 02:44, 7 April 2020 (UTC)reply
How about you
PB? Do your sources say anything? Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 13:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
No, I don't have any further details on the scrapping process.
Parsecboy (
talk) 13:13, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
No worries, maybe in the near future.
with consideration given to Zenta or Novara --> " with consideration is given to Zenta or Novara"?
That's anything from me. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 11:30, 14 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Update: I don't really have the time to continue this. 'Cause of our lockdown, school and real life issues I won't be that much online for a week or so. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 22:25, 17 March 2020 (UTC)reply
No worries. No rush. We'll work through responses to the rest of your comments and come back when you get a chance. Keep well.
Peacemaker67 (
click to talk to me) 01:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Peacemaker67 and
Parsecboy: All right guys, now that I'm back can someone address the last comments? Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 18:19, 5 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Made a question for Nate above. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 13:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Looks good to me, support. Cheers.
CPA-5 (
talk) 13:33, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Support by Llammakey
In the lede, serving in all three German navies, along with the Yugoslav and Italian fleets over the span of more than forty years in service - I would remove the "in service" at the end to avoid repetition.
Done
and had a beam of 12.2 m (40 ft) and a draft of 5.03 m (16 ft 6 in) forward - suggest "with a beam" to avoid "and, and".
Works for me
In the WWI section, I would move the torpedo boat link to the first mention.
Done
I would link the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the first sentence of Yugoslav service and World War II.
Good idea
That is it for me. Good article.
Llammakey (
talk) 13:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)reply
The sources are known to me as highly RS.--
Sturmvogel 66 (
talk) 00:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Comments by Sturmvogel_66
Just a few niggles
What's a station ship?
A ship on an overseas station? I've reworded to avoid any confusion.
Shouldn't you spell out the full title of I Squadron on first use, just like you did for I Flotilla?
That was the full name at that time - the squadrons were re-designated when the Heimatflotte became the High Seas Fleet in 1907
Rather than literally translate Korvettenkapitän, wouldn't it be better to provide the equivalent rank in Anglosphere navies?
I think that would be confusing to see some German terms translated but others not (or it would give the misleading impression that the English translation of Korvettenkapitän is lieutenant commander).
Parsecboy (
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Ealdgyth (
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