I am nominating this article for FA status because, well I want it to be an FA. I have no good reason to nominate it. Since its last FAC, I believe all of the problems have been taken care of. The sourcing problems has been resolved. WrestleView was a big problem in the last review. All the sources from WrestleView have been removed besides two. They only source minor things that need a source. It has had a copyedit by someone who has nothing to do with the Professional wrestling project and has never read the article before. It has been cut down a great deal. Going from 44 kilobytes to 39 kilobytes. The prose issue, I believe, has also been taken care of, but I'll let you, the reviewers, decide that. If there is any problems with the article I will take care of them immediately. Just name them and I'll get right on them.--
WillC 23:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)reply
Support - I originally supported this nomination after a lengthy review of the prose to comply with
WP:MOS,
WP:IN-U,
WP:JARGON, and
WP:PLOT. I would still like to see, however, the women's cage match cut out because IMO it did nothing to promote the event by itself.--SRX 15:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Comments - Overall, it's in much better shape than at the start of the first FAC. In a full reading, I still found a few nagging prose concerns, though. Not too much, and it shouldn't take long to resolve them.
Confusing sentence in Background: "On the same episode, Joe declared that he would quit TNA forever if he did not win at Lockdown in the script."
Typo with the fix: "declar".Giants2008 (
17-14) 22:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I hope I fixed it.--
WillC 23:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
"with their teams being referred to as Team Cage and Team Tomko." This is a "noun-plus-ing" structure, a hard-to-spot prose error. Try a semi-colon, then "their teams were referred to as Team Cage and Team Tomko."
Semi-colon done, but the rest of it is unchanged. The quoted part was my primary concern and is still unfixed.Giants2008 (
17-14) 22:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I believe I got it this time.--
WillC 23:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
"After their match at Destination X, Sharmell returned an assaulted Roode and Banks with a leather strap." Typo.
Reception: "During the week of July 19, it fell from position number five to position number twelve, though remaining on the chart for the second week in a row." How about "though it remained on the chart for the second consecutive week."?
Changed.--
WillC 19:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep in mind that this is at least my fourth review of the article, so I'm familiar with the writing by now. Giants2008 (
17-14) 05:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Left a couple notes under responses above. Giants2008 (
17-14) 22:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I believe I got them. I must have not been paying attention.--
WillC 23:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Use {{cite episode}} to add references to the specific episodes of Impact in the background section. ayematthew✡ 16:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
May I ask why? What is wrong with Cite web?
And remove the women's cage match. ayematthew✡ 18:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
LOL, see the talk page of this nomination for Will's reasoning.--SRX 18:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
It's not notable, I'm still neutral the article has some problems that because of
WP:ILIKEIT, are not being fixed. ayematthew✡ 18:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Why is it not notable?--
WillC 19:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
The sections is too long, and it's the least notable section. ayematthew✡ 19:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I still don't see how it is not notable. The match happened at the event and got almost three months of build to create a feud between the two teams.--
WillC 20:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I removed the match.--
WillC 01:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)reply
(undent) I know you don't agree with the removal of that match, but I do feel that the article is better for it. With my concerns about summary style and prose alleviated, my primary remaining issue is the two questionable sources (Pro Wrestling History.com and Wrestling Observer.com). If these can be resolved, I'll be ready to support. Giants2008 (
17-14) 22:35, 26 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Well Wrestling Observer should only have one reference in there and it is a review of the event. I mention in the only version why the Observer is reliable. Pro Wrestling History is only maginable reliable. Though it only sources attendance and match times. Maybe this helps.--
WillC 04:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Maybe this will help, Wrestling Observer is operated by
Dave Meltzer, a prominent professional wrestling reviewer and reporter, in this case, his website is being referenced for a critical reception versus sourcing important information. Pro Wrestling History is not reliable as a whole, in this case, its not referencing anything major or important like results, but instead the attendance and match times, which can be seen and heard on videos of the event (which is where this source gets its information). If PWH is still sketchy, {{cite episode}} might work better here then.--SRX 17:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, all of the facts cited by the two questionable websites could be provided from the broadcast. That's probably the best option. Primary sources should be kept to a minimum if possible, but I don't see any problem with using them in this case. The facts aren't controversial, and a broadcast or DVD reference would be more reliable than what is currently used. At this point, why leave any doubts? Giants2008 (
17-14) 00:25, 30 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Sorry I'm not all here today, exactly what are you asking me to do? TNA never announces how many people they have in atttendance, nor during the live event or on the DVD. I can remove the Wrestling Observer ref if you want.--
WillC 00:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)reply
He is saying that you should remove the PWH references and cite the content with {{cite episode}}, thus citing the broadcast. The WO can stay since its used for reception and criticism purposes.--SRX 01:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
But the times nor attendance is ever stated. TNA has no mention of time length in the DVD or anywhere. What is the point of citing something that does not have that information? The Wrestling Observer ref has nothing to do with reception.--
WillC 02:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Either do more research or remove it from the infobox or wherever is is mentioned.--SRX 19:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
WO cites were replaced. Do WrestleView or PWTorch have the match times or attendance? I'll probably end up supporting it anyway since the facts aren't controversial, but I want to ensure that the use of PWH is needed. Giants2008 (
17-14) 21:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)reply
PWTorch has the times but tend to roundoff. They don't give the attendance though. WrestleView does not give the times.--
WillC 23:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)reply
(undent) Support - The questioned references aren't citing anything contentious, so I'm willing to accept them as is. Finally, I think that it's good enough to meet the standards, though I admit to reading this too much recently to have much distance from it. Giants2008 (
17-14) 22:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Support - per prior support before restart.
[2] The article has even improved since then. —
Mattisse (
Talk) 00:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Image rereview - Everything still looks good.
Awadewit (
talk) 22:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)reply
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