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I think this deletion was done in error since Rosa Honung is one of the more known indie labels, not just because their production
[1] that includes artists such as
Asta Kask,
Mob 47,
Strebers,
Radioaktiva räker,
Livin' Sacrifice,
Incest Brothers and
The Troggs among others. Rosa Honung is also notable for their controversial business practices such as registering a band name as a trademark and refusing the band to use it.
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[3] The admin deleting the article also claimed "all references are dead links" and that I believe is incorrect. Wikipedia defines an important indie label as "an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable" and Rosa Honung matches that. //
Liftarn (
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- The four sources in the article were
[4],
[5],
[6], and youtube, and yes, the first three are all dead. The third was even still tagged {{
Död länk}}. —
Cryptic 14:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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- Still available via Wayback Archive
[7] and other sources are still alive like
[8] and
[9] and so on. They are used in the Swedish version of the article,
sv:Rosa Honung. //
Liftarn (
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- So why did you decline to put them in the article?
Deb (
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- Some trigger happy admin deleted the article before I had time to do that. //
Liftarn (
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- I have a hard time believing this is one of the better-known indie labels. Book searches are turning up very little. I'm having problems seeing the sources provided (pay wall?)
Hobit (
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- Swedish label so you would probably have to look at Swedish sources (but they did have an international subsidiary called Pink Honey Records that published both Swedish bands as well as some obscure US metal band called Kiss
[10]). They pay wall can be bypassed by going via the Wayback Machine.
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[13] There is at least one book used as source.
[14] //
Liftarn (
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- I think suggesting the link to
Kiss is somewhat misleading. The other stuff published by Pink Honey seems pretty limited, i.e. they published one Kiss album, and according to
discogs it was an unofficial release, according to the link you gave it's a bootleg... --
81.108.53.238 (
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- Overturn
WP:A7. A7 says, If the claim's credibility is unclear, you can improve the article yourself, propose deletion, or list the article at articles for deletion. The article (which I've tempundeleted) says that the label has published records from a half-dozen bluelinked artists. I don't know if that's enough to get past AfD, but it should be enough to get past A7. This has been A7'd three times, but never gotten a real review at AfD, which it deserves. --
RoySmith
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- I'd just point out that it also says The criterion does apply if the claim of significance or importance given is not credible. The creator wasn't been able to make any credible claim or supply any helpful references
when I asked, and none of the bluelinked articles except The Troggs contained any evidence of meeting the notability criteria for musicians. Glad to see that
User:Liftarn has finally started making improvements to these articles in the last few days. Hopefully he will be able to clean up the main article as well - note that it was not I who protected it, nor did I request for that to be done.
Deb (
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- Overturn speedy deletion per RoySmith. Publishing records by one or more notable artists is a sufficient claim of significance. There is no reason to assume that this claim is clearly non-credible. The idea that "sources are dead" is a reason to delete is problematic when sources are not even required to pass A7. Regards
So
Why 16:31, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
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- Note that significant improvements have been made - both to this and to the linked articles - by the creator and others since this discussion started. We have moved well past the stage where "overturn" has any meaning. If the article had been in its present state when I deleted it, or if the creator had been willing to supply genuine references instead of expecting others to hunt for them on Swedish wikipedia, the course of events would have been completely different. Supplying misleading "references", as he did, is worse than not supplying any.
Deb (
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- Note that the
deleted version showed that several notable artists was published by the label. //
Liftarn (
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- No, it did not show any such thing.
Deb (
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- Overturn speedy and take to AfD The fact that the links are dead does not mean the claim is not credible. Is it enough for notability? Probably not, but it's enough to get past CSD.
Smartyllama (
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