21 August 2018
- American Bucking Bull ( history · last edit · rewrite) from http://www.thebeefsite.com/articles/4350/why-rodeo-bull-breeding-is-bringing-in-the-big-bucks/ https://cowboylifestylenetwork.com/abbi-american-bucking-bull-inc/ http://www.unitedbuckingbulls.com/blog/a-look-at-the-bucking-bull-breeding-industry https://issuu.com/americanbuckingbullinc/docs/abbi_mediaguide_2017_sm. Whole page needs checking. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 13:37, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- There is a rewrite for this page, but it is
substantially copied from the previous version, which contained the copyright violations or content derived from them, and thus appears to risk being a
derivative work. I don't feel able to recommend moving it into place. Would someone else kindly take a look at this? Thanks,
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 20:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, both of your links to where I "copied content" are actually using History version 855929144. That is the version I created to be the draft of the document where I tried to "fix" the content and keep the article. Per your comment on the talk page, "The whole text needs to be checked or rewritten from scratch." I thought I could just check the whole text and fix it. But then no, you said I had to rewrite the article from the beginning. If you look at the edit summaries, Nikkimaria edits it for me twice and marchjuly removes non-free content. But then the next edit, I blank the page and start with a couple of small bits of content, and the edit summary says: (Beginning first draft of article from clean slate.) and that version is No. 856242868. Thus nothing before version 856242868 is pertinent. So you are comparing diffs on a version that does not count, as stated in the original document's talk page. Thus, the issue of any "substantial" copying using those diffs should be discarded. I had no way to be able to delete the old page, should I have blanked it right away? Maybe that would have looked suspicious.
dawnleelynn
(talk) 17:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, here's more proof. JLAN actually acknowledged that version 855929144 was a copy and slight copy-edit of the original. And then emphasized that I needed to rewrite the original. This message on the American Bucking Bull talk page was left after version 855929144 was created. It even includes a hotlink of diffs to 855929144. This proves that JLAN is mistaken in using version 855929144 later on to compare with my rewrite. It's not pertinent for use in any way after I abandoned it according to JLAN's message that is was not useful and I needed to write the article entirely from scratch, which, I did, and it's shown in the History. Here's the whole message quoted from the talkpage:
- Okay, both of your links to where I "copied content" are actually using History version 855929144. That is the version I created to be the draft of the document where I tried to "fix" the content and keep the article. Per your comment on the talk page, "The whole text needs to be checked or rewritten from scratch." I thought I could just check the whole text and fix it. But then no, you said I had to rewrite the article from the beginning. If you look at the edit summaries, Nikkimaria edits it for me twice and marchjuly removes non-free content. But then the next edit, I blank the page and start with a couple of small bits of content, and the edit summary says: (Beginning first draft of article from clean slate.) and that version is No. 856242868. Thus nothing before version 856242868 is pertinent. So you are comparing diffs on a version that does not count, as stated in the original document's talk page. Thus, the issue of any "substantial" copying using those diffs should be discarded. I had no way to be able to delete the old page, should I have blanked it right away? Maybe that would have looked suspicious.
dawnleelynn
(talk) 17:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- There is a rewrite for this page, but it is
substantially copied from the previous version, which contained the copyright violations or content derived from them, and thus appears to risk being a
derivative work. I don't feel able to recommend moving it into place. Would someone else kindly take a look at this? Thanks,
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 20:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
{{u|Dawnleelynn}}, did you happen to read what I wrote above: "the hidden content can of course still be viewed through the page history, but should not be copied into the new page"? Because by copying and slightly copy-editing the content [[Special:Diff/855929144|here]], you have not begun to resolve the problem; the page needs to be either rewritten from scratch in the temp page, without any content derived from copyright sources; or otherwise reverted to an early version before any copyvio was added (if one can be found). If you would like me to look into the latter option I can do so. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 09:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC):
dawnleelynn (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- As I've said on the talk-page of the article, my intention was to step away from this. However, I had failed to notice that Dawnleelynn had restarted her rewrite, erasing the previous content; I've now asked for revdeletion of the first few revisions of the rewrite page. Note: in addition to the sources I've previously identified, it seems that there may at times also have been copying or close following from a book called Fried Twinkies, Buckle Bunnies, & Bull Riders. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 09:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
