Category:Catholic universities and colleges in Honduras
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one university in here, which isn't helpful for navigation.
Mason (
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Dual merge per nom, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available.
Marcocapelle (
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Dual merge (as creator) in the absence of more content. However I reverted your addition of
Category:Universities and colleges in Honduras to the article, which is redundant as the article is already in
Category:Universities in Honduras. @
Smasongarrison: may I ask why you phrase your nominations as splitting instead of merging to all parents, which can be automated? In my understanding splitting is something else, which is when a category combines two or more different notions, and some articles must be manually moved to target category A, some others to target category B, but not both categories (e.g. splitting a category for queens between queens regnant and queens consorts).
Place Clichy (
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Happy to answer the splitting question. So the twinkle app doesn't at present give an option to merge into two categories, so I've been using split instead. I've made a request that they include the option as there is a template. My reasoning is that it's better to include the additional category at the expense of the wrong verb.
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Dual merge per nom. –
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Nominator's rationale: Feels
WP:INDISCRIMINATE. If it were just a list of characters from the Batman: Arkham series (with the articles listed being about the versions from the Batman: Arkham series) that would be fine. This also might be an
WP:OVERLAPCAT with other Batman categories.
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Delete, these are not Batman: Arkham characters, they're just Batman characters. This category should be populated by specific versions from those games and original characters created for the games, not by what's filled with now. —El Millo (
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Nominator's rationale: A total of three related articles (one album and two songs) doesn't seem to be enough to justify an eponymous category yet. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose, the category has then been significantly improved. dxneo (
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Delete, apart from the eponymous article, the songs and albums (which all link to each other anyway) there is only an article about a tour.
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Qwerfjkltalk 16:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
But the tours and files aren't works, so pruning would be needed. Take those away though and a "works by" parent isn't even necessary. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, sure, it would need pruning, but it would still hold three subcats. --
woodensuperman 15:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm OK with closing this as no consensus. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete Really the biography article and the tour ones are the only potential direct content. (I would also favor deleting the tour subcat until if/when more articles appear.) No objection to creating a Works by Tyla category but that can be done outside of CFD. -
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Category:Lists of women government ministers by country
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Nominator's rationale: Every content uses "female", not "women". —Panamitsu(talk) 20:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Lists of women government ministers by portfolio
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Nominator's rationale: Every content uses "female" not "women" —Panamitsu(talk) 20:55, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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It is clearly a conflict between C2D and C2C. To me it would make more sense to rename the articles, since we obviously have no children in these lists.
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Category:Wikipedia categories named after writers
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Nominator's rationale: I fail to see how this category isn't 100% redundant to
Category:Writers, basically even copying eevery subcategory in its tree. Isn't this just pointless redundance? Adam Cuerden(
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FPs. 02:27, 28 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Yes, but it's a complete redundant copy of the category tree for Writers, and I can't see any use. What on earth is this maintaining? Adam Cuerden(
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Oppose; it clearly says this is a maintenance category.
Omnis Scientia (
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I guess the original intention was that biography categories shouldn't contain any eponymous subcategories because these subcategories do not contain biographical articles. But this is not maintained, not even documented as a guideline as far as I know.
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Category:Prada exclusive models
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between brand and occupation
Mason (
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Support in principle in the spirit of
WP:OCAWARD, but just delete because the articles are already in a models by nationality subcategory.
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Comment if it's to be merged anywhere it might as well be merged into
Category:Prada.
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Category:Members of the Galizien division
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—MichaelZ. 16:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC) Added more results. —MichaelZ. 04:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment "Galacia" is the English word for this region.
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Galicia is English (not
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Category:Assassinated businesspeople
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between occupation and manner of death. If kept, should be renamed Murdered businesspeople.
Mason (
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Delete All members are likely already in another subcategory. Most were murdered for reasons unrelated to their jobs. –
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@
Piotrus can you talk some more about why businesspeople are a perfectly normal category for assassination as opposed to being murdered?
Mason (
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Keep, nothing wrong with this category. — Preceding
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Keep I agree with Piotrus.
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Upmerge the Turkish sub-cat. –
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Category:7th-century Arabian Jews
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Nominator's rationale: I don't think that this specific ethnic group needs to be diffused by century
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Oppose, these are Jews who are almost exclusively mentioned in the Quran. This is a distinct group of articles.
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In that case, I think the category should be renamed to capture that defining feature.
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A few did not interact with Muhammad but with his successor.
Marcocapelle (
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Ok... do you have an alternative suggestion that captures the defining feature? I think that we shouldn't have the "century" element in the same as it isn't a defining feature.
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Province of Massachusetts Bay
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Nominator's rationale:WP:OVERLAPCAT. It is by no means useful to have navigation for pre-statehood and post-statehood Massachusetts be separated solely due to a difference in name. –
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Oppose.
Province of Massachusetts Bay is not the same entity as
Massachusetts (nor are they same as
Massachusetts Bay Colony,
Plymouth Colony, or
Province of Maine). Each entity as it's own history and combining them into one category is anachronistic and simply creates a mess. They also do not overlap as each entity has its own years and area, so other than sharing a somewhat similar name, how do they overlap?
Gonnym (
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On a related note, all changes to the categories should be restored to the status quo while this CfD is ongoing.
Gonnym (
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Reverse merge, to the entity that existed in that period. Nom is right that there shouldn't be two parallel trees.
Marcocapelle (
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@
Marcocapelle can you explain what the "reverse merge" here means?
Gonnym (
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Note, that regarding your commit that you deleted, I think part of the fact that I missed it has to do with the usage of {{resolve category redirect}} which doesn't help when creating these trees as it doesn't show what the missing categories are.
Gonnym (
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If you happen to look in
Category:Decades in Massachusetts, the Colony decades show up there, whereas the Province decades are now obviously missing/sub-catted, but I take your point. For another example, it was not obvious that
Category:Years of the 18th century in the Province of Massachusetts Bay is redirected. Do you have any suggestions about managing this? I don't even know if a PetScan could be written to find such cases affecting a hierarchy. –
FayenaticLondon 22:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Yes. Remove {{resolve category redirect}}} which is misused here as it obstructs the automatic red-link categories that should be created.
Gonnym (
talk) 10:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry
Gonnym, I don't agree with that proposal. In very many cases resolving redirects is helpful, e.g.
Category:Decades in Burkina Faso should not be split to
Category:Decades in Upper Volta. There are many cases where using the subcat name all the way up would result in a tiny category hierarchy that would not be useful for navigation. However, I accept that I should have created a hierarchy here rather than merging them using redirects. –
FayenaticLondon 22:44, 28 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment -- This is a case where governmental changes have meant that WP creates multiple successive categories for what is in fact much the same place. The province was created in 1691, but the merger of several preceding colonies, particularly Plymouth Bay, after the dissolution of the short-lived (and opposed) Dominion of New England. On the other hand, MASS lost control of what is now Nova Scotia and New Brunswick to the French. Maine became a separate state in 1820. To some extent this is about how we parent specific categories. I would suggest we have a single tree for Colonial MASS, which may parent sibling Plymouth Bay and Massachusetts Bay categories. We have had a similar problem over modern states that have changed name, where the parent for the modern name includes categories related to its preceding identities.
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@
Qwerfjkl Fayenatic said to Keep and build out the hierarchy, which is the current tree with fixes, which I agree with. Marcocapelle said Reverse merge which Fayenatic explained is moving the Province categories from the state tree to their own tree, which is the same as what Fayenatic said.
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Category:Multi-purpose stadiums in the Americas
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Nominator's rationale: Not useful. Same rationale of many "Americas" categories that have been deleted. –
Aidan721 (
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Support per nom as the child categories are already in the correct "by continent" category.
Mason (
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Delete, the subcategories are already siblings in the by-continent tree.
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The result of the discussion was:speedy delete per
WP:CSD#G4.
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Category:Politicians born in Kocaeli
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Nominator's rationale: "Born in" is not defining in this context. When it comes to politicians, the defining geographic intersection is not where they were born, it's where they did politics.
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Category:1990s massacres in Algeria
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Support, see my reasoning in the speedy discussion.
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Rename per nom. –
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Nominator's rationale:dual merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. A speedy downmerge proposal was opposed.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 13:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose Washington, D.C. and the District of Columbia have not always been coterminous. There really needs to be a full discussion of these renamings.
Jahaza (
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You should have it, but the current consensus that it close enough for
District of Columbia and
Category:District of Columbia to redirect to it. This oppose should be disregarded as it's basically against community consensus and the opposer isn't actually going to start the discussion either.
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Support merge per nom.
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Category:Subordinators by language
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There are many other languages, thus the potential for Romanian interrogative subordinators, Ojibwa interrogative subordinators, etc.
Brett (
talk) 16:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)reply
But they don't exist right now. Potential for growth is not a metric used for evaluating categories (small cat no longer exists as a policy).
Mason (
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Mason, your nomination read(s): Upmerge for now. Unhelpful for navigation to only have one page in here. Seems pretty reasonable. But by the time I noticed the existence of this little discussion, the category already had two pages. So your nomination, however reasonable and constructive, seemed obsolete when I first read it. Now you're asking about the creation of single-item categories. The question's reasonable enough, and arguably
Brett was a naughty fellow for perpetrating just such a category. (Without thinking too deeply about the matter, I have a mixed opinion.) But I wonder why you're bringing up the matter here and now. If what you're now proposing is (i) that the entire category scheme is a mess plus (ii) some better alternative, then please make this explicit. --
Hoary (
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One thing about the directory tree that clearly is not satisfactory as it stands is that
Category:Declarative subordinators currently has but one member, That. The band-aid/elastoplast solution would be to hurriedly add the stub for a second. I'm not offering to do this -- not just because I loathe stubs, but because the article That, for starters, currently lacks a single mention of "subordinator" (even though, yes, it is a prototypical subordinator, for which please see The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language, passim). If the article were decent, its terminology could easily be updated. However, its section "Modern usage"
is worthless. For me, fixing misinformation is more pressing than adding more information (let alone worrying about categorization). (Oh, and also, that "is not a thing": there are two ⟨that⟩/ˈðæt/ homonyms, as far apart from each other as
Galicia is from
Galicia.) --
Hoary (
talk) 00:48, 23 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Also support deletion of the two added categories, they are currently not helpful for navigation either. Possibly merge them to
Category:English grammar.
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Nominator's rationale:rename, we categorize people who went to Australia as Australians, even if they were not born there. This was opposed for speedy.
Marcocapelle (
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Parent may be incorrect. The category is of harbormasters in Australia, but not all of them were Australian.
Jahaza (
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Support rename. Thanks for making the nom.
Mason (
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support as long as the spelling remains the same
JarrahTree 09:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. –
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Category:Alpha Phi Omega members
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Nominator's rationale: Membership in Alpha Phi Omega is not a determining condition.
Naraht (
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Comment This category is empty. Next time, just tag it CSD C1 as an empty category and it will be deleted after a week. LizRead!Talk! 19:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge as there is only one person in here, and there's no need to diffuse by genre.
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Category:People from Albania by municipality
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Marcocapelle, please leave this to the closer, there's not much point in having a discusion if you're going to implement the closure beforehand.
Qwerfjkltalk 19:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional Columbidae
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Category:People from Garmen
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is the only category in the People by municipality in Bulgaria tree. And it only has 1 page in it, which is unhelpful for navigation
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Category:Gang members by location
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation
Mason (
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Category:Uzbekistani people by occupation and location
Category:Cambodian people by occupation and location
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge/rename. this category right now only has one category in it which isn't helpful for navigation. Rename this category as there isn't a Cambodian people by location category
Mason (
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Just delete including its subcategories. These are unnecessary container levels, as ultimately there is only
Category:Sportspeople from Phnom Penh that contains articles. I will tag the subcategories too.
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Category:Bulgarian people by occupation and location
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one2 categories in here, which is unhelpful for navigation
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